Guns in bars? Ariz. legislators say yes
Published: July 1, 2009
PHOENIX -- The Arizona Senate has approved a bill to allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry a gun into a business that serves alcohol.
The 19-8 vote completes legislative action on the bill and sends it to Gov. Jan Brewer.
The measure has pitted powerful groups representing gun and bar owners against each other.
It would require bar and restaurant owners who want to ban weapons to post a sign next to their liquor license. Drinking while carrying a weapon would be illegal.
Opponents have said mixing guns and alcohol could cause violence, but supporters argue that people should be able to protect themselves at businesses that serve alcohol.
-- The Associated Press
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dubiousthoughts:
1) Before the law, it would be illegal to go ‘drinking while armed’, and after the law, it’s still illegal to go ‘drinking while armed’
If you are paranoid about concealed weapons, you should start frisking shoppers at CostCo or Walmart.. maybe take your Garrity metal-detector-wand to the club and start ‘wanding’ patrons mid-sections for weapons. Who knows—it might be a great way to meet women?
Although you have not SEEN a robbery at Applebee’s, they do happen. Don’t believe me, just google “applebees robbery” for some fresh news articles.
And what exactly is the definition of a “high crime area”? If you’re walking to your car at night and someone starts following you, does it become a high-crime area BEFORE or AFTER they rob you?
The liberal mindset tells us at a woman who submits to rape is “morally superior” to the woman who would ‘violently murder’ the rapist first.
HuffieVA,
I know that there are responsible gun owners. And I know “guns don’t kill people-people do.“ Although I don’t see why anyone needs a gun except to hunt, I can even understand the need for someone to feel they have the right to defend their home. So if one can own a gun and either hunt with it, or keep it home for protecting your family, I can live with that.
However, I believe allowing weapons in bars is asking for trouble. Having a gun for some is a responsible decision. For others, it is a sense of offensive empowerment. So those with a quick temper, and under the influence of alcohol, might make a decision that can impact innocent bystanders.
I have never seen a robbery in an Applebees. If you are frequenting a high-crime area for your job, that might be acceptable to carry outside your home. But knowing someone is sucking down shots with a piece on him is going to cause me to leave.
Bar owners better be careful because alot of people are not going to be comfortable with strapped people sitting around. I’m sure at some nightclub/bar there will be an incident soon.
Great post Huffie.
There is no such thing as gun violence. What you say about all those people killed with guns. The violence comes from the person who was holding the gun. You know the one who wants to rob you of your hard earned money, the one who was not conforming to the standards of our society even after they had been identified. You know the ones the liberal civil libertareans say have more rights than the common law abiding citizen. These are the ones who are commiting violence with guns. Those who continue to use the phrase “gun violence” do no use automobile violence to describe death by motor vehicles, or drug violence for those injured and killed by drugs or even medical violence for those injured and killed by our medical community. Why not? They are more deadly and cost more money per year then does the legal ownership of a fire arm. When do all of you so call control freaks go after these areas of society at the same time you attack guns? When you do that then I might see your point. But to arbitrarily decide the Second ammendment no longer means anything then it is you who need an education on how and why this country was founded. The 2nd amendmant had nothing to do with protection from an army but from the government. Please read your history as the military at the time was the same people who wrote and signed the Constitution that the 2nd Amendment is part of. Again what other parts of the constitution can we get rid of or is it only just the one you don’t like? Please provide an answer before the next time you advocate removing it from the constitution.
To all those referring to anyone who believes in the 2’nd Amendment are “Gun Nuts”
Please explain to me if the following summary of my gun ownership makes me a “Gun Nut” in your eyes…
I have owned guns my entire life, literally since I was born when my grandfather gave me a .22 rifle that was handed down to him by my Great Grandfather, I was taught to target shoot at a very young age, with hunting and trapping to follow, and of course as I got older I purchased various other guns for various purposes ranging from hunting, to trapping, to target practice etc. Rifles, Shotguns and Handguns included. I do not carry on ant type of regular basis, but for example If I am going to the range or transporting a gun for one reason or another I do, and I believe I have a right to do so, I also believe I have a right to do so concealed, if for no other reason to keep from being thought of as a “killer on the loose” because of the hysteria brought upon our society by the anti-gun movement. I have never threatened anyone with a gun, and I hope to god I will never have to use one on a fellow human being, but if it comes down to me using one or a friend or family member being maimed or killed, guess what I WILL, There is a lot of talk on this board of gun owners fantasizing about being the hero and saving the girl, let me assure all of you that is the last thing on my mind, and I don’t believe it is on the minds of many. And yes there are a few “Gung Ho” wing nuts out there that do but they are few and far between and can usually be identified by there general attitude rather than if they happen to have a weapon strapped to them at any given time. Heroism is not something someone can plan for, in fact its used so often that the original meaning has been lost over the years. As I read through the posts on this topic, it really begins to appear that those on the side of gun control are much less tightly wrapped than those that stand their ground on the topic of the 2’nd Amendment, Their posts are filled with misinterpreted facts and sometimes anger, and they tend to base their opinions around one or to instances of the “Bad Side” of society. Its no secret that some people use guns for terrible things, but one thing that often gets left out of their statements is the fact that their are millions of law abiding gun owners that if given the chance would do anything in their power to help out a fellow human being without the use of violence, even willing to help those people that repeatably call them crazy simply because they believe in the right to own / carry a gun. The words stupid, crazy and idiot fly around these posts like a flock of vultures pointing out single instances of violence while discounting the positive points of gun ownership, that in sheer numbers alone trump the violence caused by the misuse of firearms. Certain makes and models of firearms get called out and ridiculed as the cause of violence and they are generally the ones targeted by the politicians to be banned (i.e. AK47, SKS, M16, handguns, etc) when they all have the same qualities, this only shows the true ignorance of the extremists who want them banned. Do I personally own an AK47? No, would I like to own one? No, Do I think I should be allowed to have one if I so choose? Absolutely… Does that make me a “NUT”?, does it make me crazy to believe that its OK to hunt, target shoot, and if need be protect my family?
Each and every citizen on Earth should be required by law to carry a gun.
markiemarkwine—Your post is probably the most ‘on-topic’ of the day..
Virginia does not have “Bars”. In the eyes of the laws, a pub which serves enough food to ‘stay legal’(51% of gross sales non-alcohol) is identical to the “Arby’s at Shortpump”
So—for all of your people who have carried into the “Arby’s at Shortpump” - you inadvertantly broke the law.
When you think of a “bar”, you think of everyone going there to get drink.. Very few people go to a bar and order a “water & hot-wings”, but in Virgina, there is no such thing as a bar..
So—the parent who takes their kids to Applebee’s for a bite to eat after a Little League Game is lumped in the same category as the guy who gets off work at 5pm and proceeds to get hammered at a “restaurant” which might be considered a bar, but is identical to an Applebee’s in the eyes of the law.
....this is all about what you drink. Bourbon drinkers should not be allowed to carry, some gin martini drinkers should. Beer drinkers never, also not tequila shooter people. Jaeger bombs check their ID.
This entire conversation is beyond absurdity. If you shoot someone in a bar, and take a breath test, do you get charged with Man 1 at .o8 and Murder 2 at .12 or what?
Jer1234: “ I never said the 2nd amendment originated out of fear of invasion instead it was out of fear of the government taking total control of the people like the British were doing back then.“
Then why didn’t the gun nuts do something about Bush squabashing habeas corpus?
The fear was about the tyranny of a standing army—you know, like the current professional US Army and USMC. Gun nuts, unlike the founding fathers, don’t seem to be sufficiently worried about that. They just like to fantasize about shooting people and rescuing the girl, who will then like them despite their uncouth manners and falsetto-machismo.
Jer1234- The Constitution was written over 200 years ago. Some of the language is still applicable…and some isn’t. If we still adopted laws from the past, women and Blacks would still be second class citizens.
You have got to be kidding me. Where in gods green earth did you every learn to think like this. Please go have a lobotomy.
The reason Women and blacks are not treated like second class citizens is because of that 200 year old document.
I never said the 2nd amendment originated out of fear of invasion instead it was out of fear of the government taking total control of the people like the British were doing back then.
It was created to ensure that the common citizen had a means to protect themselves from an opresive government and lunatics who had no concept that the citizens are the ultimate power in our country.
This 2nd amendment right is like all other rights gauranteed in our constitution and should not be given up becasue some crazy can’t stand to see the law breakers punished but instead would see the common man nuckle under to people who had no idea what the cost of these freedoms was and that they should be given up for no one.
Instead he would run and hide from the one means provide in the constitution that provides for a means for all citizens to defend themselves and this country from oppression. dubious thoughts, Please go visit the countries mentioned by myself and others to see what a country totally dominated by their own government is like. Then come back and spout this gun controll drivel that you so readily push. By the way given up any shopping or business dealings yet? i didn’t think so.
DubiousThoughts, that is your problem. You have no clue what the constitution is. It is not about some ancient laws. It never has been. But your ignorance is going to destroy the best thing man created for governance then or now.
Put simply, the constitution is a restriction on government.
And the founders were very wise as well. They created a method to change what is no longer applicable. It is called an amendment. YOu know that strange thing that America has done 27 times since its ratification?
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