Cash for Clunker deals faulted in sales analysis
Published: November 5, 2009
The most common deals under the government's $3 billion Cash for Clunkers program, aimed at putting more fuel-efficient cars on the road, replaced old Ford or Chevrolet pickups with new ones that got only marginally better gas mileage, according to an analysis of new federal data by The Associated Press.
The single most common swap -- which occurred more than 8,200 times -- involved Ford 150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford 150s.
They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius. The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.
Owners of thousands more large old Chevrolet and Dodge pickups bought new Silverado and Ram trucks, also with only barely improved mileage in the middle teens, according to AP's analysis of sales of $15.2 billion worth of vehicles at nearly 19,000 car dealerships in every state.
Those deals helped the Ford 150 and Chevy Silverado -- along with Ford's Escape midsize SUV -- climb into the top 10 most-popular vehicles purchased with the government rebates. The most common truck-for-truck and truck-for-SUV deals totaled at least $911 million.
In scores of deals, the government reported spending a total of $562,500 in rebates for new cars and trucks that got worse or the same mileage as the trade-ins -- in apparent violation of the program's requirements. The government said it is investigating those reports and said in some cases they probably were entered incorrectly by dealers or based on outdated fuel-economy figures.
The new data, obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act, include details of 677,081 clunker trade-ins processed by the government through Oct. 16.
More than 95,000 of the new vehicles purchased under the program -- or about one in seven -- got less than 20 mpg, according to the data.
The data show the average fuel economy was 15.8 mpg for the old vehicles and 24.9 for the new ones. But plenty of consumers bought relatively low-mileage trucks and SUVs with the help of government checks.
"If we're looking for the environmental story here, we're going to be disappointed," said Jeremy Anwyl, chief executive at Edmunds.com, an analyst firm. "It might have started out from the perspective of improving the environment, but it got detoured as a way to stimulate the economy."
Popular high-mileage commuter cars including the Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Toyota Camry and Ford Focus also were among the Top 10 most popular new vehicles bought under the four-week program, with 105,280 of those models sold for a total of about $2 billion.
The $3 billion program, known officially as the Car Allowance Rebate System, ran from July 27 to Aug. 25 and generally required that new vehicles get better mileage -- at least 22 mpg for cars and either 15 mpg or 18 mpg for trucks depending on class -- and that trade-ins get no more than 18 mpg. The trade-ins were required to be destroyed in exchange for either $3,500 or $4,500 rebates.
Some deals raise eyebrows:
- In at least 145 cases, mostly involving trucks, the government reported consumers traded old vehicles that got better than or the same mileage as the new vehicle they purchased. The government said it was continuing to investigate.
- In at least 15 deals in nine states, owners of large pickups cashed in old trucks for between $3,500 and $4,500 toward new Hummer H3 SUVs that got only 16 mpg.
- A driver in Arlington County traded a 1999 Ford Explorer with 15 mpg in July for $3,500 toward a new $28,000 Jeep Commander that weighs about 4,700 pounds and gets 16 mpg.
- In at least 32 deals, drivers traded older vehicles for new large trucks -- including versions of Toyota Tundras, GMC Sierras, Chevrolet Silverados, Dodge Rams and Ford F150 pickups -- that got only 14 mpg.
- A driver in West, Texas, earned $4,500 in July in exchange for a 1989 Chevrolet Suburban SUV that got 14 mpg and bought a 2009 Suburban that weighed 5,900 pounds and got 16 mpg.
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Flag Comment Posted by DandyAndy on November 05, 2009 at 5:39 pm
It was reported on the news (and surprise, surprise, it wasn’t Fox News) that Cash for Clunkers was going to cost the taxpayers $24,000 for each car that was sold under this program. Now, given that, does anyone really and honestly believe that the Universal Health Care scam is going to be “deficit neutral” or will not cost anywhere from 10 to 100 times more than the 1.2 trillion dollars the democrats say it will cost?
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You need to read the revised story on CNN. That number has been debunked because Edmunds based it on a lot of assumptions that other groups and no not the White House, JD Powers and Associates for one says isn’t accurate.
Wow sounds like AP and Edmunds is really reaching here to make this program seem like a failure and most of you on here must not know how to read or you just don’t want to do the simple math.
I mean out of 677,081 transactions they actually make statements like “A (meaning 1) in Arlington Texas blah, blah.“ LOL If you add up all of their eyebrow deals, its 194 which is .000286% of the total deals, and this makes the program bad and poorly run? LOL Unbelievable, did Glen Beck write this for them?
And more facts they state “The data shows the average fuel economy was 15.8 mpg for the old vehicles and 24.9 for the new ones.“ That’s an improvement of 9.1 mpg x 649,881 (which is the # of transactions minus the trucks) equals an improvement of 5,913,917 mpg improvement. These 600,000 vehicles will need to burn over 5 million less gallons of fossil fuels and this is a “disappointment?“ On what planet? Did anyone actually fact check this story and look at the Edminds.com and AP’s comments and actually marrying them up to the numbers? They do not support one another at all. I guess AP and Edmunds were hoping no one would actually do the math. Sounds like a success to me.
It was reported on the news (and surprise, surprise, it wasn’t Fox News) that Cash for Clunkers was going to cost the taxpayers $24,000 for each car that was sold under this program. Now, given that, does anyone really and honestly believe that the Universal Health Care scam is going to be “deficit neutral” or will not cost anywhere from 10 to 100 times more than the 1.2 trillion dollars the democrats say it will cost?
I agree with citycynic, anonymous and oneuser.
fed up in va,
Sen Collins held it up (both times). It needed 60 votes and she made sure she got her pound of flesh before letting it come to a vote.
To anon:
Here are the facts; 54 Senate Democrats, 4 Republicans and 2 independents voted for this Democrat sponsored bill in order to help prop up GM which was taken over by the Democrats. That makes the yes vote for cash for clunkers 90% Democrat, 6% Republican and 4% independent. From these facts you have concluded that the bill was a product of Senate Republicans in order to do a favor for soccer moms?
In scores of deals, the government reported spending a total of $562,500 in rebates for new cars and trucks that got worse or the same mileage as the trade-ins—in apparent violation of the program’s requirements.
It sounds like some dealers are trying to scam the system. Hopefully, they will be brought to justice and forced to pay back any rebates issued.
Another success story for the Obama adminstration!Create a hair-brained scheme, -rush to ram it down the thorats of tax payers, watch it fail, then try and spin the story.
And the same idiots want to manage health care. The good times times just keep coming.
anonymous,
I went to local auto scrap yards and saw many cars marked clunker that were much nicer than the cars my teenage children are driving. Guess one mans ceiling is another mans floor.
Morning oneuser,
I dont know that this program necessarily helped the wealthy. In Sept. I was at a local dealership having my 6 year old car serviced. The weather was beautiful, I wandered around outside while waiting.
I came across several rows of vehicles with ‘CLUNKER’ marked on them. I dont recall seeing a decent looking one in the group, just a bunch of junk with slick tires, rust, etc. I would not have driven one of those things around the block, let alone to a dealership. Look at the bright side. The people that got the rebate are probably on the hook to a bank or lender in access of $20,000. Now they have a big fat car/truck payment. Also more insurance and personal property taxes. Wait a few months and lot of these vehicles will be repo’ed for non payment.
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