Richmond City Council quashes traffic circle at A.P. Hill statue
A divided Richmond City Council voted last night to prohibit the creation of a roundabout at Hermitage Road and Laburnum Avenue around the statue of Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill.
The 7-2 vote halted the city's plan for improving safety at the North Side intersection and left Mayor Dwight C. Jones' administration considering other options, such as a total prohibition of left-turning movements.
"It doesn't do much, but that's something," Chief Administrative Officer Byron C. Marshall said of the no-left-turn option after the vote.
Councilman Chris A. Hilbert had asked the council to take the usual step of blocking a project recommended by city traffic engineers. But he argued that building a two-lane roundabout in front of Linwood Holton Elementary School was a recipe for problems.
"I can't find, for the life of me, how it would be safer if you remove the traffic lights," he said.
In a public hearing, residents spoke strongly for and against the roundabout. Councilwoman Ellen F. Robertson supported Hilbert's request, saying the council should not move ahead with any purported solution that divides the public.
"We need to stay at the table" and pursue a solution, she said.
Councilmen Douglas G. Conner Jr. and E. Martin Jewell voted to allow the roundabout, noting it had been recommended by traffic engineers as a way to reduce the number and severity of accidents. They also expressed concern that, by rejecting the roundabout, the city would have to reimburse $75,000 in federal funds provided for the project and that future road funding could be jeopardized.
"This is a matter of safety. This is a matter of saving lives," Jewell said.
Also last night, the council voted 9-0 to eliminate or scale back nine GRTC Transit System bus routes because of low ridership and budget woes. GRTC had recommended route cuts last year to help the system avoid a year-end budget deficit.
Last night's vote allows GRTC to scrap or significantly cut six routes: the western portion of Route 11 Laurel Street, as well as the entire Route 13 Main Street/Church Hill, Route 20 North Side, Route 61 Broad Rock Shuttle, Route 65 Stony Point Fashion Park and Route 68 Lunch Time Express.
Three others -- Route 16 Westhampton, Route 67 Chippenham and Route 22 Hermitage -- will be scaled back.
GRTC Chief Executive Officer John M. Lewis Jr. said the changes may inconvenience riders by forcing them to use alternate routes but should not prevent them from using the system.
"We've tried to keep reasonable access through the system," he said.
The changes are expected to take effect in mid-January and allow GRTC to save $1.2 million annually.
Last night's hearing attracted no speakers. Lewis said a public notice on the changes was posted on GRTC's Web site but not on the affected routes. Such notices weren't necessary, he said, because the changes were first recommended last year and discussed in community meetings.
"It's the same routes, the same thing we went through before," he said.
GRTC recommended cuts based on a study that identified inefficient routes in terms of how much of their cost is recovered through rider fares. Of the routes being cut, the Lunch Time Express has attracted the fewest riders -- an average of 12 per day in fiscal 2008-09, compared with 641 for Westhampton. Overall, GRTC has about 40,000 riders per day on its 40 routes.
In other business, the council appointed Lynn McAteer, a vice president with the Better Housing Coalition, and Doug Cole, a landscape architect, to three-year terms on the Richmond Planning Commission, replacing Beverley Lacey and Bob Mills, whose terms had expired.
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Reader Reactions
R U kidding me? a person making a left from laburnum onto hermitage (either way) has to wait for no cars to be going down LABURNUM on the other side…NOT for the light to turn…see my previous post for “people that can’t drive in Richmond”...that RED LIGHT you see is for people on HERMITAGE to not be moving….
again…what the H*ck is wrong with Richmond drivers? is everyone behind the wheel senile or something?
as Posted by ( epm1 ) on October 27, 2009 at 6:46 pm
“The next problem is the placement of the traffic lights. A person making a left turn, for instance from Laburnum , is immediately faced with a red light for Hermitage and does not complete the turn until the light changes. Changing the placement of the traffic signal lights would help keep folks from stopping in the middle of their turn, or the middle of the intersection. The lights should be at the entrance to and in the middle of the intersection but not in the exit or far side of the intersection. Monuments work in the middle of Monument Avenue. There is no reason they cannot work on Hermitage Road.“
i don’t know how many of you commenting live here…hermitage/laburnum area…
it is FINE the way it is…the reason for so many accidents?...the idiots that are driving and not paying attention to the lights..or running them…end of story…
i really don’t like Chris Hilbert personally, but he was right in saying no round-a-bout, traffic circles…if anything…slow the traffic down to 25 mph
i walk my dog around this area 3 times a day…you drivers are just unbelievable…I do understand why we have 100 accidents in the metro area every time it rains and why we close schools/gov’t offices if there is a hint of snow…you folks can’t freakin’ drive!
HILL’S GRAVE A TRAFFIC HAZARD
Lieutenant General Ambrose Powell Hill was a sickly man suffering—the historians suggest—from venereal disease. His abilities in the field
have been highly questioned although he had his moments. He was buried outside of Richmond and then in Hollywood Cemetery and then again on Hermitage Road in 1892 UNDER HIS MONUMENT…because the bugles were still blaring in the heads of Confederate veterans.
To my knowledge Hill’s grave is the only dead body interrupting traffic in a main intersection in the United States—and unfortunately his record of bad judgements and one night stands does not warrant such a reward…
A great idea would be for the Sons of the Confederate Veterans to give Hill (one of their heros) his due once and for all where commuters and dump trucks won’t be interrupted by his sad legacy.
The A P Hill circle used to be larger with a orntamental iron fence around it. The contractor’s dump trucks moving dirt for I-95 construction through Richmond kept knocking the fence down so the fence was removed and the circle made smaller to its present size. Traffic seem to flow better when the circle was larger.
The next problem is the placement of the traffic lights. A person making a left turn, for instance from Laburnum , is immediately faced with a red light for Hermitage and does not complete the turn until the light changes. Changing the placement of the traffic signal lights would help keep folks from stopping in the middle of their turn, or the middle of the intersection. The lights should be at the entrance to and in the middle of the intersection but not in the exit or far side of the intersection. Monuments work in the middle of Monument Avenue. There is no reason they cannot work on Hermitage Road.
( squier13 ), thanks. Just lately, I’ve been hearing the term ‘roundabout’. I wasn’t 100%, that I was correct. Nope. Anyway, roundabouts are ok with me. But, the one for Forest Hill and Roanoke will take up some space in that area and may include the destruction of the apartments on the corner….Ah, Eminent Domain! Another love story.
“What’s the difference between a “roundabout” and a “traffic circle”? “
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In a traffic circle one or more entrances get the right of way, in a roundabout, circle traffic always has the right of way. A rotary has a much larger diameter and higher traffic speeds than a roundabout and is often used as an interchange with interstate highways.
Politicians trying to be traffic engineers is a no-win situation. Roundabouts work because drivers have to pay attention to the other drivers. The intersection as it currently exists is a nightmare. Prohibiting left turns is not a reqasonable solution and will really cause cut-thru problems on the adjacent neighborhood streets. Since it appears that the roundabout is not going to happen, the option to relocate the statue should be seriously considered.
I’m more concerned about the GRTC cservices cuts than a roundabout. Here I think the city should have not given to Mr. Lewis’s demands. What instead should have happened is possibley restructuring the routes to better serve the areas in question and aline them to better serve the community. Noe the Northside will see fewer buses and really diminish any incentive to ride them-thus forcing people back into cars.
On a more long term note its time to start thinking seriously about light rail for the major trunk routes-say Broad Street, with diesel buses and electric trolley buses for secondary services. Then, Mr. Lewis and company aren’t that imaginative.
What’s the difference between a “roundabout” and a “traffic circle”? Southside plaza at Hull and Belt was originally a “traffic circle”. The plazas name was “Circle Shopping Center”.
Also, in Cape Code, they call them “Rotaries”. Now, is this different from the other two names previously mentioned?
Speaking of traffic, who was the genius who decided that repaving downtown streeets in the middle of afternnon rush hour was a good idea yesterday? Thanks.
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