Health-care reform achievable, congressmen say

Health-care reform achievable, congressmen say

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Rep. Eric I. Cantor, R-7th, gestures toward the health care bill as Rep. Robert C. Scott, D-3rd, listens during the Richmond Times-Dispatch Public Square.

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A leading opponent of proposed health care reforms in Congress predicted today that differences could be bridged to produce acceptable legislation.

Rep. Eric I. Cantor, R-7th, the House minority whip, agreed with Rep. Robert C. Scott, D-3rd, that the current health care system is unsustainable because it denies access for millions of Americans and is too expensive to maintain in the future.

“We ought to be able to produce something to effect positive reforms,“ Cantor said.

Cantor and Scott appeared this morning at a Richmond Times-Dispatch Public Square discussion on health care reform at the newspaper’s downtown offices. A capacity crowd of 225 people were on hand for the event.

Scott outlined provisions of pending House legislation that would include a public option plan for health insurance. The Democratic proposal would cost about $1trillion over 10 years, which he said would be less than spending on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and extending the tax cuts enacted under the former Bush administration.

“Obviously, in context of what we do and the choices we make, this clearly is affordable,“ Scott said.

In response to a question from the audience, Scott said, “Eric and I agree on 80 percent. Unfortunately you can’t do the 80 percent without some of the 20 percent. That’s where the rub is.“

Cantor warned against reforms that would allow the government to interfere in the relationship between patients and their physicians. He also cautioned about the potential for government health-care programs to deny medical care in some cases.
Cantor also voiced concerns about the cost of a government-run program that “government can only pay for by beginning to deny care.“
Scott said that without a public option, people would be required to get coverage from “for-profit, sole-source corporations, with no check on prices.“
“As John McEnroe would say: ‘You can’t be serious.‘ “

Among those in the audience was Mary Evans of Richmond, a patient-services counselor who said she works in an emergency room where she helps patients who are paying by themselves, or through Medicaid. She said she questions how much more Americans can take after the TARP expenditures, the federal stimulus package and federal bailouts.
Evans, who declined to identify the hospital where she works because she was representing herself, also said she increasingly sees patients on Medicaid coming to the emergency room with non-emergency concerns.
“If the government can’t fix Medicaid… why should we turn this (health-care overhaul) over to them?“ she asked

Eileen Davis of Henrico said she was in nursing school in 1973 when President Richmond M. Nixon fought health care reform. She asked Scott and Cantor for a centrist approach.

“Will you commit to real reform? With a centrist approach?“ she said. “Punting this problem to another generation will be a dereliction of our duty.“

The Rev. Makeba D’Abreu of Chesterfield County said she wants to see health care reform but is concerned about disparities in care, including between genders.

“I am in support of a public option or some form of alternative to have stiff competition,“ she said after the event.

Attendees filed out about 11:30 a.m.,  discussing the highlights.

Mary Wooding of Richmond said she was impressed by the audience, but less so by the politicians.

“I think in some cases they went around the actual questions,“ she said. “The audience was good through — no boos.“

Richmonder Charles Cheek agreed.

“I thought it was rather civil,“ he said, adding that the politicians were “too long-winded.“

“They should’ve gotten right to the point and found commonality,“ he said.

Cantor and Scott praised the forum for its civility and its bipartisan nature.
“This today, I think, can serve as a model,“ Cantor said after the forum. “We need bipartisan discussions outside of Washington.“

A line began forming early for the forum, with tickets going to the first 225 people in line.

There were 200 seats available in the newspaper’s auditorium, and 25 in a smaller room where the program would be shown by video. About 50 people were unable to be seated because of the limited space. The program was shown live on TimesDispatch.com.

Randy Lanthrip was second in line for the Public Square, arriving at 5:45 a.m.

“I’m here for veterans rights,“ said Lanthrip, who retired from the U.S. Army in March.

Lanthrip said he wanted to know where the 45 million people who might be put into the health-care system would go.

“There are no new doctors and no new hospitals,“ he said. “Where does that leave veterans?“

Cynthia Losen was third in line, arriving shortly after Lanthrip.

She said she has faced two major health crises recently, including breast cancer.

“I’ve had to fight my insurance company the whole time,“ she said. “They didn’t even want to pay for the only pill to help with my nausea.“

Among those in line was 14-year-old Meghan Steely of Midlothian, who carried a sign that says, “Just say no to health care bill.

“I started learning about the health care bill from different news shows and it did not make sense to me,“ she said.

About six people held a sign saying, “Standing together for health care reform.“ Among them was Jeff Smith of Richmond, who said his father and a work colleague suffered from mesothelioma as a result of asbestos exposure. He said his father’s colleague lost his job and his house because of the financial impact of the illness.

“I think a great country like ours can do better than that,“ Smith said.

A handful of volunteers for Organizing for America, a group that promotes President Barack Obama’s agenda, strolled the line. They asked people waiting in the crowd to sign a petition, pledging that they would contact their congressional representative and ask for health-care reform. The sounds of soft conversation were drowned out by the noise of a jackhammer from a construction crew across the street.
Some opponents held homemade signs that expressed a different view. Once said: “Listen Congress: We pay for the goods. We consume the goods. We get to choose the goods. Get your hands and tax code off my health care.“

Hanover County resident Laura Glover, 29, brought her 2-year-old son, John, to the forum. She said that while John’s position on health care is unclear, she had given him a task.
“We practiced flag-waving,“ she said.
Glover fears that health-care reform will force people to sacrifice some of their rights and decisions.
“I want people to be able to decide for themselves,“ she said. “I don’t want to tell someone how to live, but I don’t want the government to tell me how to live.“

(Times-Dispatch staff writers Wesley P. Hester, Michael Martz, Olympia Meola and Jim Nolan contributed to this report.)

 

 

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Flag Comment Posted by LKeck on September 25, 2009 at 3:47 pm

Listen as Pres. Obama, Barney Frank and others tell you that the government option will lead directly to single payer government run health care!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqozYmwxshc&feature=player_embedded

Flag Comment Posted by Justaguy on September 25, 2009 at 9:19 am

What a juvenile response, “bw.“  As I have told my children, I do not care that all of the other children are being disrespectful of the teacher.  YOU are my child and YOU represent our family, therefore I expect YOU to comport yourself in a manner that is in keeping with the EXPECTATIONS we have of YOU:  Respect, Integrity, Honesty. Cantor FAILS on all measures.  If every citizen held their elected officials accountable, I submit we might just have a government of, by and for the people.

Flag Comment Posted by bw on September 25, 2009 at 9:04 am

Any yes, of course only Republicans are “guilty” of accepting large corporate contributions.  Dems are supported by small, working class organizations like the labor unions!

Flag Comment Posted by gqrich on September 23, 2009 at 3:44 pm

I wonder if the 14.2 million dollars Cantor has received from the Insurance Industry had any affect on his view points on Health Care Reform. Hmmmmm…

Flag Comment Posted by gqrich on September 23, 2009 at 3:39 pm

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa

Great video!

Flag Comment Posted by Kathy in CT on September 23, 2009 at 10:04 am

Thanks for replying BW and acnowledging that not all of the people who don’t have insurance are shiftless people seeking handouts.  The data shows that most, in fact, are working people, just like all of us.  But the anti-reform campaigners have tried to pit us against each other, to make it a “me vs. everyone else” issue, rather than going back to the roots of this country, which were when neighbor helped neighbor, people helped people. 

You are correct that some support has been provided to help us pay our astronomically high COBRA premiums—but that will end soon. 

And the bigger issue is that when COBRA ends, we’re out there alone with no coverage, trying to buy from companies who say CANCER?  You want us to cover SICK people?

It’s very scary.

One thing to think about, vis a vis the comment about auto insurance protecting other drivers.  Right now, when American citizens who have no coverage and can’t get basic care are either injured or very sick and end up in a hospital ER, the law (passed by a bipartisan majority that even included Joe Wilson) says that hospitals MUST care for them.  (We have not yet become a country where we let people die in the hospital parking lots . . . . although I’ve seen postings on other sites suggesting just that.)

The costs for that uncompensated care are then bundled into the rates that insurance companies pay hospitals.  And that’s reflected in your premiums.

SO—yup, you are paying for care for people with no insurance.  It’s called cost-shifting in the hospital industry.

That’s why so many of us think that having coverage for all and saying yes, Mr. 22-year-old motorcycle rider, you have to have health insurance so when you get hurt, YOUR insurer pays for your care, makes a lot of sense.

The logic is the same as with auto insurance.  If there’s a problem, you want everyone involved to have coverage.  Right now, if a person with no health care coverage is injured when causing a car crash with you, their auto insurance will cover fixing your car . . . but YOU and all other people with insurance will end up picking up a share of the ER costs, surgery and rehab costs, etc.

That doesn’t make much sense, does it?

People with no insurance—and these are the people you speak of who make decisions not to have coverage—become in essence, the responsibility of the public.  A mandate similar to auto insurance makes sense—IF there’s affordable coverage for people to buy . . . . and that’s another topic, the public exchange.

Thanks for having such a constructive dialogue.

Flag Comment Posted by bw on September 23, 2009 at 9:45 am

Ok, maybe not all but many made past decisions that affected whether they have health insurance.  Kathy’s family apparently made the right decisions and had health care until loss of job.  I have never said there should not be health care reforms in denials of coverage, tort reform, catrastophic coverage, etc.  I just do not agree with the current all or nothing plans.  And I have no issue with the state, feds or others assisting those in need.  How about allowing insurance companies to compete nationwide.  Some states only allow as few as one company to operate.  As to Cobra coverage, didn’t the taxpayers just fund Cobra premiums for those loosing jobs recently?  And what about health savings plans which have been available.  Many choose that new car or big house over those savings to cover the unexpected.  And now they are in bankruptsy because they can’t pay those debts. 
As you say, I may lose my coverage next week and then become ill.  I personally will just deal with it.  Bankruptsy seems a small matter if I am fighting a terminal illness.  Call me callous, maybe so.  My neighbor down the street has a multimillion dollar home, probably several vehicles, vacations in Europe, etc.  But I don’t stand outside his home protesting either his hard work or maybe just an inheritance.  Life is never fair to all. 
ob says health care coverage should be required as auto insurance.  Well auto coverage is required to cover the damage you do to others, not to yourself unless you decide to pay for that. (Lenders require coverage on your vehicle but that is to protect them, not you.)
O’Reilly said the public option was dead after ob’s speach.  While he said he would favor a government option for the working folk in some sort of coverage, others posted from that he favored the public option in the current bills, which he did not.
I had not heard of Mr. Beck’s comments on McCain, but thought at the time he was a bad choice and he proved it with his actions in the campaign.  Still would not have voted for Hillary or ob myself.  I’m not going to agree with all Republican ideas/choices but likely support the majority of them.  I am sure I will not change any minds here, just presenting my reasons for being on the other side.  Again, why would I favor legislation that from everything I have read or heard will only cost me more for less.  Call that callous but who else is looking out for me but me?  Don’t try to tell me mr’s webb or warner have my welfare as a concern!  But neither did the Republicans.

Flag Comment Posted by mrright on September 23, 2009 at 8:39 am

Anon..I’m no huge Eric Cantor fan but if I’m not mistaken he was just at a healthcare reform forum sponsored by the RTD.Could you please tell me where Senator Webb held his town hall meeting?
Keep in mind conservative Congressman like Cantor represent the majority opinion as it pertains to healthcare reform and is therefore in agreement with most of the protestors.Should he have held a seperate town hall for the bussed in SEIU and ACORN workers to show their paid support for government run healthcare?

Flag Comment Posted by Anon on September 23, 2009 at 7:28 am

“House Minority Whip Eric Cantor ... says he hasn’t personally witnessed racist comments during a summer of passionate town hall demonstrations.“ - Politico.com

This from the loser who held all of his town halls over the telephone from the comfort of his own sofa!

Flag Comment Posted by jamesdobb on September 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm

bw, lets try this, the exact quote from Bill O is “But you know, I want that, Ms. Owcharenko. I want that. I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don’t like their health insurance, if it’s too expensive, they can’t afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.“ The exact quote from Glenn Beck is “I can’t believe I’m saying this, I think I would have much preferred her as president and may have voted for her against John McCain,“ Beck told Couric.
Prompted to elaborate by the CBS Evening News anchor and managing editor, Beck said he thinks “McCain is this weird progressive like Theodore Roosevelt was.“ “I think John McCain would have been worse,“ he continued, laughing. “How about this? I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama. How’s that?“

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