Public Square debates Shockoe ballpark
Public Square part 1
See the archived town hall meeting on whether a minor league baseball stadium should be built in Shockoe Bottom.
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John Dodge takes his turn at the microphone during Public Square. Audience members were largely critical of a ballpark for Shockoe Bottom.
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Published: May 13, 2009
Updated: May 13, 2009
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About 230 people, including a silent Mayor Dwight C. Jones, attended last night's Public Square debate on whether Shockoe Bottom is the city's and the region's best location for baseball.
Bryan Bostic envisions the proposed Shockoe Center project as "our town square coming to life anew," with a ballpark, shopping, jobs, restaurants, civic gatherings and living space.
"Since before our downtown department stores closed, our city has been trying to lure families back downtown. Club Velvet isn't going to do that," Bostic said, referring to an adult-entertainment establishment in Shockoe Bottom.
Bostic is chairman of Richmond Baseball Club LC, which intends to buy a Double-A franchise. He made his case for the proposed $318 million development and its $60 million ballpark at the Public Square organized by the Richmond Times-Dispatch at its downtown offices.
In addition to Bostic, speakers included Paul Kreckman, a vice president for Highwoods Properties, the developer for Shockoe Center; Church Hill resident Jean Wight, who is a Shockoe Center opponent; and Charlie Diradour, who believes a Richmond baseball stadium should be located on the Boulevard.
Last fall, developers announced the proposal for Shockoe Center, which the city continues to study. According to project organizers, new local and state taxes generated by Shockoe Center would be sufficient to pay the debt service on tax-exempt bonds used to build the ballpark.
But Diradour, president of another development company, said: "There ain't nothing free."
Wight argued that Shockoe Bottom's history should be preserved rather than creating an entertainment complex.
"Throw your balls and have your special-price seating," she said. "But it gives nothing back that helps this community. Ball-team ownership is private, not public. Pay your own way. And don't tell us that we're missing this grand employment opportunity to sell peanuts on weekends.
"Unique heritage of that site is buried under and lost to incredible damage if [Shockoe Center] goes forward." A recent archaeological dig found the remains of a slave jail.
But Kreckman said the development would be sensitive to history and called Shockoe Bottom "quite simply the best place in the city to develop a modern ballpark as a catalyst for economic development around it."
Diradour countered that "the premise that minor-league baseball is an economic driver cannot be substantiated." He added that Shockoe Center would represent a ballpark built "in the center of a development of totally unneeded Class A office space, retail space, hotel square footage and more restaurant space."
Audience members largely were critical of a ballpark for Shockoe Bottom, citing the area's problems with flooding and its tight street grid.
Sam Forrest said Shockoe Center likely would join other lackluster city-backed projects, including the 6th Street Marketplace, convention center and Canal Walk.
Bostic responded that the Canal Walk is beautiful but incomplete and needs more development around it.
"There's no attraction," he said. "The ballpark is an attraction that brings people downtown. It's been proven in city after city."
At one point, Diradour asked Kreckman whether the Shockoe Center proposal is supported by tenant leases and marketing studies. "Where's the beef?" he asked.
Kreckman said those details would follow city approvals.
"Once we get the project, we're going to have to go out and prove it," he said. "What's wrong with seizing the opportunity to try? Are we going to be a community that's afraid to try?"
John Zeugner, of the Sierra Club, said the city should allow development in Shockoe Bottom that builds off the farmers market, tourism and Main Street Station. He said Shockoe Center is "going to be like a Disneyland that you come to in lieu of real history . . . and people aren't going to buy it."
Several speakers pushed for the ballpark to stay on the Boulevard or be built in Manchester, south of the James River.
But David Napier said if baseball isn't the answer for development in Shockoe Bottom, he's not sure what is.
"Baseball or no baseball, we're going to need a concourse down there to have development. [Because of the floodplain], there will be a building on stilts or there will be nothing."
William Shulleeta said baseball should follow the region's residents who live north, south and west of the city. "They are more around the Boulevard than they are Shockoe," he said.
Jay Wilson said a ballpark in Shockoe Bottom would lure young professionals to the city.
"It didn't work [on the Boulevard]. Let's put it behind us," he said.
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Jeff E…..you nailed it…..I’ll never understand suburbanites…...they can keep their tiny universe.
Cabbage, regarding the view there, yes it would be amazing. The river and downtown would be right there where the seats are facing. That location could potentially be a big boon for speeding up the recovery of Hull Street as well. But if you think suburbanites are whining now about access, imagine what they will say when they find out they have to cross the Manchester or Mayo Bridges to get to a game? Many of them just want to park in a giant surface lot (reminds them of home), watch the game, and flee to the burbs again. In the end we have to decide who we are building this stadium for, the vindictive suburban families who hate the City or those who enjoy it, see its potential, and want to help it grow? In principle, I really don’t want to build this stadium for folks who have no intention of doing anything more than drive in and drive out. Attending a baseball game should not only be about the game but what you can do and see afterward. That’s why a downtown location is ideal IMO.
Cabbage, I will check it out.
JDE - Mayo Island would be nice, but it has two major pit falls: It flooded annually back in the 1930s and early 40s where it was used as a ballpark(Jimmie Foxx hit one in the river and Ruth hit one on or over the train tracks). Secondly, it’s too small for a modern day ballpark (a minimum of 575 feet square is needed. Mayo Island is only 415 feet wide - yes, I’ve measured it :-).
Everyone reading this should go to Legends Brewery and sit on the deck -drinking a beer is optional;-). Invision a ballpark next to Legends - Yes, the Reynolds foil plant it closing this summer (the assessed value is approximately 12 million dollars). If enough people buy in to this it may become a reality (Right now it’s simply my pipe dream).
The idea of baseball and sports aside, Shockoe Bottom needs something new! Not just a stadium, but a large development that blends with the character of Shockoe Slip and Church Hill! Something of an Old Town Alexandria feel, but more pedestrian friendly…
When I come downtown, I want a place where I can have dinner and take a walk… maybe do some window shopping afterwards.
Just questioning the city views from Blvd and Bottom location as compared to great river views….have not studied enough to know best location on the river….mayo island seems like it would be a very cool one as well and very historic as ballpark was once there.
JDE said: “One of the biggest benefits a ballpark can offer a city is it provides an opportunity to showcase the best of your city to a captivated audience sitting there for 2 plus hours….the fan views of the city are key as Charleston’s Mayor Riley stated during his visit…the key to success of his ballpark has been the proximity and views of the water. Richmond’s best sitelines are from the river looking back at river at the city skyline. What are the views of the Bottom and Blvd?“
So you are in favor of a Manchester site?
Fanguy, so you say. We shall wait and see.
One of the biggest benefits a ballpark can offer a city is it provides an opportunity to showcase the best of your city to a captivated audience sitting there for 2 plus hours….the fan views of the city are key as Charleston’s Mayor Riley stated during his visit…the key to success of his ballpark has been the proximity and views of the water. Richmond’s best sitelines are from the river looking back at river at the city skyline. What are the views of the Bottom and Blvd?
squier13 - I was more comparing the region and site location….Chinatown has a very similar (yes I know smaller too) location as to the Bottom. Also that building is owned by the city of Washington. At the end of the 30 year lease, the land is set to revert back to the ownership of the city, with the mayor of Washington to make mandatory biennial reviews of the city’s continuing need for the arena. There was funding by the city. When they built the MCI Center people complained that the building’s construction, by closing off a block of G St, corrupted the historic L’Enfant layout of the Washington city streets. HMM sound familar? Where the Nationals stadium is located in Southeast where there are illegal sex clubs, empty warehouses, and gang hangouts.
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