Protesters gather at Richmond offices of Webb, Warner

Protesters gather at Richmond offices of Webb, Warner

ALEXA WELCH EDLUND/TIMES-DISPATCH

About 200 protesters marched in front of the downtown Richmond offices of Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va.

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Protesting against President Barack Obama’s health-care and cap-and-trade proposals, several hundred Virginians gathered today outside the Richmond area offices of Sens. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, and Mark R. Warner, D-Virginia.

Pickets organized by the Richmond Tea Party and Americans for Prosperity chanted slogans and waved signs to urge the two senators to vote against the proposals.

Neither senator was present.

“Webb vote no, or you will go!“ the crowd outside Webb’s downtown Richmond office chanted.

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Flag Comment Posted by greta on July 19, 2009 at 10:22 am

Blaine-It is Sunday morning and it was a pleasure to read your gracious reply.
All any of us hope is that we get this issue resolved so that health care “reform” is eventually beneficial to everyone now and in the future.

Flag Comment Posted by Will on July 19, 2009 at 8:07 am

Concerned: “Doctors who do not take insurance charge far less because they do not have to pay staff to do the reams of paperwork and deal with the insurance companies. They know they must make it feasible for patients to switch to them so they would not be able to stay in business if they refused insurance only to charge MORE.“

If you’d gone to the link I’d posted you’d see that you’re wrong about “far less.“ Do take a look. There are valid reasons to ditch the current insurance system but going all Ayn Randy on health care is not one of them.

It’s also worth remembering that the doctors have simply transferred the paperwork and the hassle to the sick person and her family—as many of their patients would still have insurance they’d want to collect on. Here’s what a doctor who signed himself “MD in the Trenches” posted in response to the article about Doctors not taking insurance:

“Give me a break. Concierge medicine appeals to the affluent and the worried well. Lets see how it works on the 75 year olds of the world with diabetes, CAD, angina, hypertension who wouldn’t know how to send an email or resolve an acute problem with their physician over the phone if their life depended upon it (and it probably would).“

Flag Comment Posted by w0w123 on July 18, 2009 at 11:01 pm

I am 30 and have worked 8 campaigns, hardcore, in my short life. That equals hating America?

What exactly is it YOU do?

Flag Comment Posted by Blaine on July 18, 2009 at 10:06 pm

Greta, I realize you may not read this until sunday, but I appreciate the (sort of) apology and I owe you the same. You’re absolutely correct that I know no more of your life than what you’ve written and I have no right to question your honesty. You said that you pay your own way which obviously is no longer true, but I really should’ve found a more polite way of clarifying that. I think I also misread your comment that my math would be even more applicable in twenty years- the way you stated that is absolutely true so I had no right to take offense. It’s clear you’re aware that current costs aren’t what they used to be and that the return on your investment in FICA is substantial. I’m glad you’re well and not indebted for medical care. good luck in the future!
night

Flag Comment Posted by Jer1234 on July 18, 2009 at 9:58 pm

bholl accusing me of being a liberal proves you have no idea who I am or what I have posted both here and in the past.  You also prove you have a very socialistic view of this country.

w0w123 and bholl plus several others only answer to this demonstration outside the Webb’s office is to make unfounded accusations or resort to name calling.  They heve not one fact to back any of this up. Now they are using these same tactics to try to intimidate all who don’t follow blindly in their views.  Yes there are many who hate America and these two are just a prime example of this statement.

Flag Comment Posted by w0w123 on July 18, 2009 at 9:39 pm

Greta, your comments are akin to those of an insane person living in a dream world.  Best of luck to you.

Flag Comment Posted by greta on July 18, 2009 at 9:36 pm

it is the lateness of the hour that has reduced me to single sentences Will.
And Blaine who would know the correctness of my life story better them me?
The hospital bills and doctor and medicine costs were commensurate with the times as was the money that we made.
And sir another fact you have over looked not that it is any of your business is that thank the gods I am not particularly wealthy i am also very healthy. I have no hospital bills and no prescription bills. In the true spirit of this debate that is not important. The point is made to remind you not to set up false arguments about strangers in newspaper posts.
I am sorry about your friend though.
i am sure that that you are correct in that do not currently pay for my own costs but i DID help to pay for previous recepients of Medicare and SS
with taxes taxen out of a lifetime’s paychecks.
And there is no need to be so huffy. I am sure your math is much better than mine.
Night All

Flag Comment Posted by concerned on July 18, 2009 at 9:33 pm

Doctors who do not take insurance charge far less because they do not have to pay staff to do the reams of paperwork and deal with the insurance companies. They know they must make it feasible for patients to switch to them so they would not be able to stay in business if they refused insurance only to charge MORE. It is a supply/demand situation. Patients will switch when it is cost effective - when the doctor charges less than the insurance premiums.  We go to a doctor for our teenagers’ sports’ physicals who charges $25. Our regular pediatrician charges $135 to our insurance company and our co-pay is $30.  Do the math!
You can use a calculator if you need to.

Flag Comment Posted by concerned on July 18, 2009 at 9:22 pm

The way the hospital scam works is that the bill shows something outrageous like $10,000 per day.  But the insurance actually pays a very small fraction of this total amount. This is called the negotiated rate. It is not really negotiated - because the insurance dictates what it will pay. There is no way insurance companies can stay in business paying $10,000 per day per patient. This is all a made-up number on the part of the hospital. Why?  So that you, the patient, will be “forced” to pay for insurance. You will be scared stiff not to have it!

So when you hear of people saying their hospital bill was $100,000 for a few days, this is bogus!  The hospital, says, “Hmm, let’s see, I think I will key in $100,000 on this one.“  The insurance company pays $8,000.

My co-worker’s wife was outraged by this scam when she had surgery for breast cancer. Her bill was about $25,000 for one night. The insurance company paid $2,500. She wanted to drop her insurance (which was more than $2,000 per MONTH) and pay what the insurance company paid. She wanted to be able to pay the $2,500. She thought that should be the actual bill, since that is all the hospital could expect to be paid. But the hospital refused to see it that way; they said without insurance, she had to pay the $25,000. See, this is a scam to force all Americans to get insurance.

The answer is for all Americans to drop insurance and go only with catastrophic (which is very inexpensive).

Then Americans will stop going to the doctor for every little scratch and boo-boo, and taking expensive cocktails each day!

Health care costs would plunge!  Guaranteed!  The doctor would charge what the market would bear.

Flag Comment Posted by Will on July 18, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Concerned: “There are doctors today who are going out on their own, who charge less and do not take insurance.“

Really? I’ve heard of doctors not taking medicare because they want to be paid more. . . .

Ah, google has the poop. And guess what? Some Docs don’t mess with insurance—because they want to charge more!

http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2008/07/doctors-who-don.html

Not that the private insurance companies aren’t a big problem.

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