Push for in-state students

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Some high school students graduating at the top of their class are not getting into the Virginia public college or university of their choice.

For years, state lawmakers have served as sounding boards for frustrated parents.

Now, several lawmakers are trying to make public colleges and universities accessible to more Virginia students by requiring them to admit at least 70 percent of their undergraduates from in-state.

"Taxpayers of Virginia for 200 years have been paying taxes to build these schools," said Del. Clifford L. Athey Jr., R-Warren. He wants to require public colleges and universities to admit at least 70 percent of their undergraduates from within Virginia starting with the 2010 freshman class, or forgo state funds.

"They paid for them mainly because they wanted their children to be able to go there," Athey said.

Lawmakers say bright students from around the state are being passed over, while students from other states find Virginia's schools a bargain.

Del. Timothy D. Hugo, R-Fairfax, is pushing for a 75 percent in-state student requirement. Under his legislation, the state's public schools would have to make up any money lost as a result by increasing out-of-state tuition rates.

"What I am seeing is the University of New Jersey Charlottesville campus and the University of New York Williamsburg campus, and I just think that has to stop," Hugo said.

Virginia Military Institute, Norfolk State University and Virginia State University would be exempt from the Athey and Hugo bills. Those schools would be "negatively affected in a very big way given the out-of-state scholarships that come their direction," said Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter, R-Prince William.

School officials argue that decreasing the number of out-of-state students affects schools' budgets as the schools are dealing with a drop in state support. Decreasing the number of out-of-state students is a further revenue loss, said Daniel LaVista, executive director of the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia.

Two top-ranked public schools that often are termed "Public Ivies," the University of Virginia and the College of William and Mary, would be most affected by the change. At U.Va., each 1 percent drop in the number of out-of-state undergraduates would cost the university about $3 million, LaVista said.

The 31 percent of out-of-state undergraduates there account for 63 percent of the school's tuition revenue, said Carol Wood, a U.Va spokeswoman.

SCHEV reports a slightly different figure of 33 percent for U.Va., based on fall 2008 figures. The school has relied more on tuition revenue as the state's share of U.Va.'s operating budget dropped from 13.8 percent in 2000 to 8.2 percent this academic year.

If W&M were required to increase the number of its in-state students from the current 68 percent to 75 percent, it would cost the college about $7.5 million, spokesman Brian Whitson said. That figure is based on the additional 399 students who would pay in-state instead of out-of-state tuition.

But beyond the financial impact, Whitson said, out-of-state students contribute to the "intellectual liveliness" of the campus. W&M opposes all three bills and supports the General Assembly's current guidelines that call for 65 percent of students be from in-state.

"It sounds like a bad idea," said Brian Collamer, an 18-year-old freshman from Hanover, Pa., who is majoring in engineering at Virginia Tech. "It's another way to restrict certain people, and it makes it unfair, especially if you have ties to the school in some way."

He questioned what good it would do schools such as Tech to develop national reputations in specific areas if they can't use those reputations to lure students from outside Virginia.

But the echoes of frustrated students and parents have lawmakers wanting to take action.

"Something's messed up; something's wrong," Del. David B. Albo, R-Fairfax, told the House Education Committee yesterday.

He's suggesting that schools with less than 75 percent of their undergraduates from in-state charge the out-of-state rate for students who take more than four years and who have attended 110 percent of the credit hours needed to graduate.

Under his bill, any revenue and space generated by the change would be allocated to in-state students under his bill.

Athey, in addition to pushing for the 70 percent requirement, wants at least 80 percent of schools' transfer students to be from in-state. His bills are scheduled to come back before the House Education Committee this week, as is Hugo's.

Athey's 70 percent requirement would cost the cash-strapped state about $5.9 million starting in 2010-11, according to a fiscal-impact statement.



Contact Olympia Meola at (804) 649-6812 or .

Contact Karin Kapsidelis at (804) 649-6119 or kkapsidelis @timesdispatch.com.

Staff writers Rex Bowman and Carlos Santos contributed to this report.

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Flag Comment Posted by letiller on February 04, 2009 at 6:38 am

No one is saying we should lower the standards.  What the article said is that kids at the top of their class are being turned down for kids from other states.  I would assume this means that the kid from the other state has no greater credentials than the in-state kid.  I wonder what criteria is used to select the students, if kids at the top of their class, are being denied opportunities at these schools.  Also, how do you think some of the athletes compare to other kids who are not athletic?  It is all about academics, right?

Flag Comment Posted by 2277 on February 03, 2009 at 5:24 pm

I agree with previous post 1000%!  Parents should stop whining and Virginia schools should continue to accept at the same levels. Guess what… there is a college for everybody—somewhere. It’s just another way to try to “dumb down” so that everybody is happy.  What happened to hard work to get into the college of your choice?

Flag Comment Posted by Walkin on February 03, 2009 at 4:50 pm

The state should not be able to mandate the percentage of in-state students.  Colleges should accept students based on their grades, SAT scores, extra curricular activities, and application essays like always.

If your child doesn’t get into his/her VA school of choice, he or she should have a back up school.  If the back up doesn’t work out, OH WELL! They should have worked harder in high school. I guess they will be forced out-of-state now. 

Right? Wrong! What better way to take advantage of your tax dollars than by using The Virginia Community College system.  With the guaranteed admission programs, Virginia students can attend their choice school after receiving their associates, if they keep their grades up.

Parents need to stop whining.  Let your kids take responsibility for their actions.  If your kids really want to attend a certain school in Virginia, but didn’t have the credentials to get in, have them figure out a plan to get accepted. By the way, this plan should not include having parents complain to state lawmakers.

Flag Comment Posted by UVaStudent on February 03, 2009 at 1:01 pm

The problem is you are confusing the tier 1 colleges in Virginia with ALL Virginia colleges.

The parents whining to our Representatives are whining because their kids aren’t getting into Va. and W&M.  By the % of in-state students listed for the other schools (in the table in the paper), they are certainly getting in to other Virginia schools; thus, they are getting their “tax dollars worth” by going to the other Virginia schools.  You’d have a good argument if UVa and W&M were the ONLY Virginia schools.

Let’s not kid ourselves, this is all about letting less deserving students into UVa. and W&M simply because they live in Virginia.

(note the exemption for Norfolk State, Va. State, and VMI)

Flag Comment Posted by Interested Read on February 03, 2009 at 12:35 pm

I agree with the article. 

I did a random search on undergrad tuition at UVA and W&M, the 2 schools featured in the article, and note that even though the out of state fees are higher than VA in state, the GA should consider increasing them even more and lowering slightly the VA rate. I believe the situation would correct itself.  UVA’s tuition/fees only for 2008-2009 for VA is about $9500, whereas out of state is about $30,000.  W&M’s is about $5200 and out of state is $14,600.  In both random cases, it’s about triple for out of state students.  I say quadruple or even quintuple the tuition rates and let the fallout correct the situation.  In other words, don’t make it advantageous for out of staters to come here for their education, depriving deserving Virginians a chance at a school, which their parents help build with their tax money. 

Also, be stricter in determining who is really a bona fide Virginia resident.

I don’t really have a problem with out of staters attending VA schools, but they should not have the advantage.  A mix of backgrounds always helps the cultural exchange in colleges.

Flag Comment Posted by Ron Melancon on February 03, 2009 at 10:07 am

Seems like Mr. Jefferson didn’t mind out of state students….but what
does he know?

I don’t mind out of state students… the issue is… why are people going to Virginia Colleges who are ILLEGAL getting In State tuition rates?  Who is paying for this to happen?  The Legal Taxpayer.

Flag Comment Posted by UVaStudent on February 03, 2009 at 9:31 am

“We wish to establish in the upper country of Virginia, and more centrally for the State, a University on a plan so broad and liberal and modern, as to be worth patronizing with the public support, and be a temptation to the youth of other States to come and drink of the cup of knowledge and fraternize with us.“ Thomas Jefferson, Jan. 18, 1800

Seems like Mr. Jefferson didn’t mind out of state students….but what does he know?

If only he were as wise as Tim Hugo and Clay Athey.

Flag Comment Posted by Transplant on February 03, 2009 at 8:38 am

What, don’t schools want diversity? How about exchnage programs as in I’ll trade you two Rutgers for one VT or three Slipery Rock’s for one William and Mary? Maybe fifteen Dook’s for one UVA?

Flag Comment Posted by jrc6d on February 03, 2009 at 7:53 am

Why don’t we look at solving the problem instead of treating the symptoms?  Many local school districts in Virginia cannot create students who are able to compete at the necessary level to be accepted into these universities.  The solution needs to begin by improving primary education within the state.

Flag Comment Posted by Ron Melancon on February 03, 2009 at 6:58 am

Great Article!!!  How about addressing this?  Should a person who cannot prove in Virginia is legal… get in state tuition for College.  The point is… If you cannot prove you are a Legal citizen of the Commonwealth then you pay full price.  Why should a LEGAL citizen from New Jersey pay full price… and an Illegal citizen in Virginia pay IN-State tuition?  I have very little saved for my LEGAL son’s College fund… but somehow my tax money is being used to fund an Illegal person’s college fund.  WHY… Can somebody in the General Assembly address it!!!

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