Guns in bars? Ariz. legislators say yes
Published: July 1, 2009
PHOENIX -- The Arizona Senate has approved a bill to allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry a gun into a business that serves alcohol.
The 19-8 vote completes legislative action on the bill and sends it to Gov. Jan Brewer.
The measure has pitted powerful groups representing gun and bar owners against each other.
It would require bar and restaurant owners who want to ban weapons to post a sign next to their liquor license. Drinking while carrying a weapon would be illegal.
Opponents have said mixing guns and alcohol could cause violence, but supporters argue that people should be able to protect themselves at businesses that serve alcohol.
-- The Associated Press
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RVAMAN- I misinterpreted your reference to North Korea, China and Iran. I though you were alluding to an invasion of some sort.
Jer1234- The Constitution was written over 200 years ago. Some of the language is still applicable…and some isn’t. If we still adopted laws from the past, women and Blacks would still be second class citizens.
As you said, the 2nd amendment originated out of the fear of invasion. That threat is not realistic since the war of 1812.
Stop hiding behind strict interpretation and just admit you are scared of something where you feel you have to walk around with a concealed weapon.
dubiousthoughts:
Why does the 2nd Amendment extend to rifles but not to handguns?
For “Zero money down” you can carry a handgun anywhere in the state, and for an extra $50 and background check, you can carry concealed almost all the same places(except ABC-ON establishments).
An armed society is a polite society!
Don’t believe the hype about North Korea, Iran, or China.
To exactly what “hype” are you referring? The thread is about citizens’ right to bear arms. I gave a short list of countries that do not allow an armed citizenry.
Here, I’ll make it even more simple for you:
Countries where private citizens can own guns: US, Canada, Sweden.
Countries where private citizens cannot own guns: China, Iran, North Korea.
Any questions?
The 2nd ammendment had to do with civilian militias staying armed in case of invasion. It has been interpreted to mean that we all have the right to bear arms as independent citizens.
No matter who interprets it be it me, you or Sarah Brady the Supreme Court has adjudicated that all citizens have the right to keep and bear arms for their protection. No where does the Second Amendment mention “civilian milita” Where do people learn to read at.
This law is irresponsible, and I would never give my business to an establishment allowing guns on the premesis.
So you are saying the Second Amendment to the Constitution should be revoked. What other amendment should be revoked because you don’t like it. I can see you do very little shopping or eating out. All business establichments allow guns on the premesis unless they have a sign forbidding the carrying of guns on their property. That includes Walmart, Target, Ukrops, Foord Lion and all Malls in all the towns and cities. So dubiousthought I guess you either don’t go anywhere or have no idea what you are saying. There are guns in every one of these establishments every day and you don’t even know it. Good luck on your thoughts and to give you another thought about this “conservative BS” you might check on somve of the Liberal left wingers who are also hunters and certified to carry a concealed weapon. Your idea of the constitution belongs in China, Korea or Russia.
Tell the people or Nazi Germany, Serbi or another other nation with a repressive government that thye didn’t need to be able to keep or bear arms. That is the first thing that is taken from the citizenry when a dictator takes over. God when will people learn there lesson that without us being an armed citizenry we would not be who we are today. Vermont has it right and California and New York have all that uncontrolled crime, but the citizens don’t have arms. Go there dubious thoughts and leave us alone.
RVAMAN,
Don’t believe the hype about North Korea, Iran, or China. North Korea? Hardly a threat. Their ruler is just posturing. He knows if he pissed the USA off he’d be a pile of dirt in a second. Iran, same thing. We are just interested in getting another source of OIL and a western friendly govt to control the region. China? They are becoming more agressive in the arms race, but if they take us down it will be economic warfare. They are taking out jobs, manufacturing more than us, and selling it back to us. And they loan us money to continue the insanity. As a consequence, if they did pull the plug, no other nation is as comsumerist enough to buy their exports…so until the rest of the world generates some income…they need us.
Back to the gun thing, I am Ok with owning a rifle for hunting, and in turn for defending one’s home. That is where I draw the line. I forsee too many problems with everyone being armed. This will cause “self defense” to be redefined. Say, for example, you’re in a bar and get into an argument with someone and it becomes “physical”. Someone is going to pull their weapon. After that it becomes a disaster.
“Handguns are not needed in this country AT ALL, unless you are military, police, or private security”
You’ll be happy to know that the Chinese, Iranian, and North Korean govts are in complete agreement with your policy ideas.
Just gives you the warm-n-fuzzies, doesn’t it?
I live in a rural county where it would probably take a while for police to arrive.. we have guns for protection and for hunting purposes.
My husband has a business where he would be percieved to carry cash (actually he doesn’t much.. but people would think he does).. He has a concealed weapon permit for that purpose.
I would not consider ourselves to be particularly paranoid or over-reactive. I figure it is better to be safe than sorry.. Having firearms and knowing how to use them doesn’t guarantee my safety.. but it does give me something of an advantage in the event of a problem.
Should people have them in bars.. I think that if the person in posessin of the gun is not drinking.. then it is fine. I also think that the business owner has the right to post a sign saying no weapons are allowed and that gives the gun carrier the option of going in or not.
I lived on the same block as a 70+ year old widow in the inner city.
One day a fine young man grabbed her storm door in an attempt to break-in (kill her?), which was locked and started yelling “OPEN IT B*TCH!“.
She calmly reached to the table next to the door, pointed a handgun at his head and replied “What did you say?“.
Another crime averted.
“Handguns are not needed in this country AT ALL, unless you are military, police, or private security”
So those of us that privately secure our homes and businesses would be included in your list?
Please take a moment to explain your definition of “Private Security”
Feel free to put your live in the hands of the average “Mall Cop” if you wish, but I actually kind of like my family, and simply want to have the ability to protect them if need be…
Wow, what prejudice, and intolerence! You immediately assume it’s CONSERVATIVES who are progun. We had to kick out REPUBLICANS to get progun laws PASSED in the General Assembly!
You may want to rethink that fact!
“Handguns are not needed in this country AT ALL, unless you are military, police, or private security!“ Really? Considering a police officer is much, MUCH heavier than a small auto, I would disagree.
It’s not living in fear, it’s called “Pulling your head out of the sand.“ Or other areas. In this world, there are miscreants, villains, and ne’er-do-wells who mean you harm, and possibly violence.
You protect yourself how you deem necessary. I’ll send flowers.
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