Letters to the Editor 6/19
Amidst the Horror, Goodness Still Shines
Editor, Times-Dispatch: When the United States Memorial Holocaust Museum opened in 1993, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City had not been bombed and 9/11 had not taken place. Terrorist acts had not come to America yet. However, when I went to visit the museum, I noticed something different from any other museum I had ever toured. There were traffic barriers out front, security cameras, metal detectors, X-ray machines, and armed guards. I thought to myself, why does this museum need so much security?
Part of the mission statement of the museum states the following objectives: "confront hatred, prevent genocide, promote human dignity, and strengthen democracy." All of these seem like worthwhile goals to me. Then the answer to my question became crystal clear. The museum documents the "Final Solution" to the Jewish question and there are still people out there who wish Hitler had been successful. They still deny facts and are motivated by blind hatred. Unfortunately, one of these people attacked the museum recently and killed guard Stephen Johns.
When the news broke, I was filled with anger toward the gunman. Then I looked at all the rescue workers and the police officers helping people. It reminded me of the room at the end of the museum tour that allows people to reflect on the horror they have seen while looking at the many monuments to our freedom in this wonderful country of ours. I decided then to shift my focus. The good in people will always outshine the evil in others.
Martin Plotkin.
Richmond.
Everyone Must Hold President to His Word
Editor, Times-Dispatch: Didn't President Barack Obama state that military spending would be included in the budget instead of being hidden by deceptive "supplementals"?
Republicans, Democrats, independents, and "we the people" need to hold him to his word on that matter.
Paul Magill Smith.
Richmond.
Torture Should Be Used in Extreme Cases
Editor, Times-Dispatch: In response to the letter by Tom Little, "Spy Pros Know Torture Doesn't Work," I could not disagree more. Torture does work. Governments have been using torture for centuries to maintain their power and find and destroy their enemies, both external and internal. One has only to look at Nazi Germany and the infamous Gestapo or the former Soviet Union with the NKVD and KGB.
The examples Little gave of people who did not use torture in eliciting information from the enemy are fine -- maybe. (For example, Orin Deforrest, the CIA agent, who did not use torture in Vietnam because his subjects knew that if they did not cooperate they would be turned over to the South Vietnamese who would.) There are plenty of cases where torture was used to make the "enemy" talk and the information was extremely valuable. As an aside, why would Abu Zubaydah be tortured if he was providing "good" information? It sounds suspiciously like the individual making the claim that Zubaydah was cooperating until torture was used has a personal agenda to serve in making a statement that cannot be confirmed. (We will not know the answer to this conundrum unless the transcripts and records of what he divulged are made available and include under what conditions he divulged the information.)
The point here is to try to end this political discussion on torture. This issue, like global warming, has become politicized and truth has consequently suffered. I am not advocating the widespread use of torture; it should and must be used in extreme cases. Does anyone believe the Obama administration -- or any administration -- would not use torture if it had someone in custody who it knew or suspected had information that would avert an attack within the U.S. that could result in thousands of deaths? Would anyone like to be the president who had to stand up in front of the nation and families of the dead and say he did not use every means to avert the attack?
Andrew M. Brantley.
Williamsburg.
Melting Pot Isn't Melting Anymore
Editor, Times-Dispatch: Whatever happened to the saying, "He's an American!"? I grew up thinking that people who lived in our country were Americans. My mother's family was German, back a generation or so, my father's was Scotch Irish, also back a generation or so. My husband's family was directly from Scotland, with other connections back further. It never occurred to us, or anyone I knew, to call our relatives German-Americans, Irish-Americans, or Scottish-Americans.
I grew up in New York City -- so, yes, I was living with a lot of different nationalities, and yes, they called each other funny names -- but we were all Americans. I have no idea what the background of FDR (the first president I remember) was, or most of the other public officials to whom I have been exposed since that time.
Why, all of a sudden (the past few years), have we become a country full of descriptive adjectives? American politicians are -- or should be -- Americans. The country they or their families came from is not why I elect or listen to them. The people they are, what they accomplish, what they believe, and what they are doing (or will do) for their country is why I put them in a position where they can make decisions for the rest of us. Am I missing something?
Pat Lorimer.
Richmond.
Reader Reactions
I beg your pardon. Were you talking to me?
Greta…never mind. It’s closed.
Mrright implies the 9 CIA/FBI career officials who sacrificed much to serve our country all lie to serve a political party, while still not naming even one agent, even one who was a Bush/Cheney supporter, who will voice “water boarding is better means than verbal manipulative skills”, saying they are laying low due to fear. Mrright does injustice in implying our brave CIA/FBI agents are cowards and liars.
Then we have spinning Randy, who can not find names of agents who support water boarding; saying “Names are not superior techniques - please name the superior techniques. Look, if you don’t know what they are, just say so.” Either he did not search and read about the Informed Interrogation Approach, used by the CIA & FBI, or he did, and hopes no one else has.
As Eric Maddox, the interrogator who used the verbal skills means to interrogate enough people to find Saddam Hussein has said, “I’m not all about human rights. I am about doing what needs to be done to get a guy to talk.“ To capture Saddam, Maddox “broke” nine key detainees - some within a matter of minutes - by earning their trust and understanding what motivated them. “You have to understand the psychology,“ Maddox, who has conducted more than 2000 interrogations, explained. “When you waterboard someone he fears for his life, but there are more powerful motivators.“ Maddox said that in his experience manipulating a detainee’s love of family and or pride will yield better results, same technique that convinced Saddam’s key lieutenant to provide details about the hole where Saddam is hiding. (and mrright thinks Maddox lies)
Randy’s prior top secret clearance would not be needed today to search “Informed Interrogation Approach”. Who knows. He might find the name of an agent who says, “I.I.A technique is not as good as water boarding”, ah, spinning Randy?
We are a nation in decline, the reasons are too many to lay out in this forum. But just like religion is the last resort of a scoundrel, so too is the abandonment of core values is the last resort of false patriots.
We may indeed be the “land of the free” because of the brave.
I personally never considered 9/11 “the first sign of trouble.“ As in
the distinct implication of not being particularly important or significant.
Well, perhaps to some!
“Land of the free” to abandon all we stand for at the first sign of trouble, “home of the brave” advocates of torture.
thetruth-I would not believe Mr. Obama if his tongue came notorized.
If the tide were to turn and the waterboarders were declared heros of the moment.Mr.Obama would spin on a dime and praise them to the skies.
And a certain segment of the population would believe him…
Ain’t this America?
You’ve got to put the comments of
‘truths’ 9 so called experts in context.These guys were testifying at a democrat controlled Bush/Cheney witch hunt.What did you expect them to say.
People that could support the use of waterboarding are laying low right now for fear of prosecution under a vindictive administration.As far as Obama saying he won’t prosecute surely means he will.This man says one thing and does another more than anyone I can recall.
Lets see the Cheney memos.
Truth, take a deep breath.By the way I’m not always right.Ask my wife.
Names are not superior techniques - please name the superior techniques. Look, if you don’t know what they are, just say so.
VP Dick Cheney advises that there are documents reflecting the success of waterboarding which the Obama administration (and they admit) will not declassify - I’ve not seen any documents that indicate that the three individuals who were waterboarded did not yield accurate information. Considering how fast Obama and company ran from this issue, I tend to believe Cheney. I’m pretty hard pressed to come up with classified documents as my top secret clearance expired in 1991.
The question stands Truth - name the superior techniques and quit spinning.
Being mrright is surely always right, but does not believe FBI interrogator Ali Soufan’s testimony, as mrright says, “That’s just his opinion”, doubtful he will believe the other five mentioned interrogators, nor the other three former CIA experts. If he simply will not believe these nine experts, surely he will believe but ONE current/former CIA/FBI field interrogorator who testified water boarding works better than verbal skills. So, mrright, the ONE name? Even if it be the person’s opinion, we’d like to know; especially, Randy, who appears bit frustrated in not finding one. Not so much for me, but surely mrright will help a fellow water boarder advocate? So, help Randy.
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