NRA backs McDonnell for governor

Posted by ( jerry78linda ) on September 18, 2009 at 8:21 am

Fighting our government if it comes to that.

Count me out, that’s not what this country is about.  That’s the stuff that happens in third world countries, not here.  I couldn’t disagree with you more.  Making it possible for an uprising like that in this country gives new meaning to dictatorship.  I’m definitely not for that and any rogue civilians causing such death and destruction, because that is what it would come to.

You and I are 180 degrees apart on this one.

So if our government became a dictatorship (which it is becoming incrementally), you’d just bend over and take it? The founding fathers had just fought a war against a tyrannical government and understood that even the best governments, when controlled by men if questionable character, can degrade into tyranny. That is why they made sure that the American people had a fighting chance to redeem the country. It is a last resort, “doomsday” scenario, but it should not be dismissed flippantly.

Third world countries are that way, partly, because the people have no way to resist the force of their government. When the government succeeds in disarming the populace we will be too. The only things that are preventing that from happening right now are the grace of God, and the 2nd amendment.

Posted by ( jerry78linda ) on September 17, 2009 at 1:43 pm

I’m not completely sure what your are saying Jack.

All civilians should be armed same as our military?  Why?  Should we all be armed to the teeth in case we have to fight our own government or another government invading our shores?

We need to be able to fight our own government if it comes to that.

Posted by ( jerry78linda ) on September 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm

My personal opinion….the broad statement should be provided with another amendment stipulating the right to bear arms individually, unless the arms are military issue, such as AK-47’s or nuclear power.  I do not believe any civilian needs that kind of arms in their home to protect it.

The second amendment is not strictly about hunting, or defending our homes, although both are enabled by it. The 2nd amendment is about guaranteeing the rights of Americans to defend themselves from an arbitrary, over-reaching government, and it is implicitly mandated in the Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.“

This longstanding idea that the 2nd amendment justifies gun ownership has always been a JOKE!

This proves that you clearly have ZERO understanding of the united states constitution, and therefore lose all credibility.

So the 2nd amendment is not relevant any longer. No, I don’t expect conservatives to disagre.

According to the United States Supreme Court, our Founding Fathers, and the Amerian people, it is very relevant and important.  It is second only to the most important right of freedom of speech.  No I don’t expect liberals like you to agree.

The idea is to build a society that doesn’t have much crime and doesn’t need guns—that’s what we should be working toward, but you’d never get a conservative to get that.

In a perfect world yes.  But this is not a perfect world.  Your liberal fantasy utopia does not exist, will not ever exist, period.  It is impossible.  Our founding fathers, the supreme court, and almost all americans realize(d) that.  But you’d never get a liberal to understand.  You simply can not comprehend facts, logic, and reasoning.  It is not in your mental capacity to do so and I feel sorry for you.  I encourage you to do some research and maybe take a class or two to help you understand and learn how to properly interpret the constitution and American history.  Otherwise I’m afraid you will start considering other constitutional amendments irrelevant as well.  Have a nice day.  God Bless America.

This longstanding idea that the 2nd amendment justifies gun ownership has always been a JOKE! First, the second amendment was written, along with the rest of the BOR, in 1791—and needless to say times are FAR different now. Second and most t important, the 2nd amendment CLEARLY puts gun ownership by individuals within the context of a “well regulated state militia.“ The amendment makes clear that the writers wanted individuals to have the right to bear arms for the defense of the state, acting as part of a state militia. Those were revolutionary war days. We no long have state militias, our states no longer need defending from the Brits or anybody else. So the 2nd amendment is not relevant any longer. No, I don’t expect conservatives to disagre.

The bigger issue is that conservatives never want to tackle the root causes of crime or any other problems. They want to lock people up and have gun battles in the streets with criminals. I’m all for tough laws and tough sentences—absolutely—but let’s not pretend that solves anything. The idea is to build a society that doesn’t have much crime and doesn’t need guns—that’s what we should be working toward, but you’d never get a conservative to get that.