Protesters march in Richmond against health care proposals

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More than 100 people gathered outside the downtown Richmond offices of Sens. Jim Webb and Mark R. Warner today to protest the proposed health care plans pending before Congress.

Neither Virginia Senator, both Democrats, has committed to vote in favor of the plan that was unveiled this week in the Senate.

Richmond police officers stood by to make sure the protests were peaceful. Protesters held signs and shouted slogans.

--Tyler Whitley

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Flag Comment Posted by Lou.Southside on November 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm

WILL is the typical drone that our educational system produces. He and other racial tolerant liberals like to point out that the protesters were a bunch of old white people. I like to thank you for pointing out the demographic that actually cares about America. See these old people stay informed and engaged and they know the real history of our country. It’s sad that these old people have to carry the water for the rest of us that are too lazy to get involved. College educated liberals are by far the most ignorant demographic in our country. With pride WILL refers to the liberal bible called “Rules for Radicals”. This book is on the recommended reading list on the federally funded NEA(National Education Association) website. That book is the instruction manual on how to destroy America. WILL, the liberal pawn, actually beleives that he is helping the poor and saving our environment. His heart is in the right place but he has been brainwashed. He sees a Klan rally when in reality he is witnessing people that are truly standing up for the poor, the rich, the middle class. They are standing up for America in general. WILL doesn’t understand this. He sees people as economic classes and races and he can’t see the irony that he is the true racist. The liberal version of the truth is being spoon fed to him everyday. He is using a terrorist manual as his moral compass and has the audacity to project his hate on the real patriots of our country.

Flag Comment Posted by Will on November 22, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Randy,

Whether we like it or not, we’ve got a system in which we don’t go back to reparse the exact words of the constitution as if no history had intervened—the constitution is considered in the light of case law as well. I think it’s safe to say that the supreme court—unless they’re more corruptly political than I think (the election of 2000 anyone?)—would say that the US Government is within the constitution to offer a medical insurance program. After all, Medicare exists and hasn’t been found unconstitional. As much as I hate to admit it, all the various shifts by which Presidents have gone to war without a declaration since 1941 have all been adjudicated by the court, and are thus prima facie constitutional. By the constitution itself, they get to decide. So the unconstitutional things the feds do, once the court says they’re constitutional are actually and in fact and by the constitution itself constitutional. That’s why its tragic that we’ve got a bunch of corporation and big business toadies—plus a very weird mediocrity with a self-hating chip on his shoulder—as a majority on the court.

Flag Comment Posted by Randy on November 22, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Will - how about an answer to this post from earlier please?

Will - There’s no doubt that the federal government does things that are unconstitutional - but, are you suggesting that existing unconstitutional programs represent the appropriate basis for setting up additional programs that are unconstitutional? Sounds like a # 8 and a # 11 to me.

In my opinion, existing unconstitutional programs are only the legitimate basis for eliminating unconstitutional programs.

Flag Comment Posted by Will on November 22, 2009 at 7:13 pm

“As domestic terrorist Saul Alinsky instructs in his Rules of Radicals book;  Divide and Conquer.“

Actually nothing the hoagie said before this would lead one to the conclusion that he was describing this sort of philosophy. Or even understands it. Divide and conquer would be terrifying lower-middle class and working whites to go against their own self-interests by making them afraid that a lazy person of color might get something for free. It’s a tactic the right (and their corporate masters) have been adept at for a hundred years—and which the healthcare billionaires gleefully watching re-enact itself each time another teabagger gets his mug on the television.

Flag Comment Posted by drhoagie on November 22, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Forget protesting Webb and Warner.  They are bought already and rich enough. 
They will have to face Virginians the rest of their lives in markets, at theaters, in malls, country clubs after they are “retired” from Congress and sent home.  It will be a long, miserable life looking into all of the eyes of all the citizens they sold out.
Americans need to relentlessly protest the AARP.  The Democrat fund raising machine,.....er, seniors organization.
If you are an AARP dues paying member, cut up your card, send it back to the AARP with a letter demanding a prorated refund on all dues for the remaining portion of your canceled membership.
Boycott AARP advertisers like hotels, stores and insurance carriers. 
If you are young enough, get with your parents or grandparents before a death panel wipes them out and instruct them to do the same.
And rip up all those membership solicitation mailers that come and mail them back.  Don’t just trash them.
As domestic terrorist Saul Alinsky instructs in his Rules of Radicals book;  Divide and Conquer.

Flag Comment Posted by Will on November 22, 2009 at 6:28 pm

“Let’s not forget Hawaii who started a plan for kids, and had to cancel it 7 months into it’s first year, because it had already cost 10 TIMES the estimated cost!“

A program that according to Fox News only enrolled 2,000 kids—and since Hawaii requires employers to offer healthcare (and has for 35 years) many of the kids enrolled had already been insured. Hawaii is one of the healthiest states, because it has a very low percentage of uninsured. From today’s Honolulu paper: “The state’s required employer-based health insurance law, in effect for 35 years, assures among the lowest percentage of uninsured residents, a second-best 7.7 percent; the national average is twice that.“

So, we’ve got a bill before Congress that will help the rest of the citizenry—porky teabaggers perhaps an exception—to be healthy and insured. Yay!

Flag Comment Posted by Will on November 22, 2009 at 6:14 pm

“The protestors know what is in store for them if Obama, Pelosi and Reid ram this monsterity down out throats.  “

Orthographical query—anonymous, did you mean ram a “monastery” or a “monstrosity” down our throats? If the former, you perhaps meant to implicate the five Catholic Republicans on the Supreme Court. If the latter, what do you call the current American health care system—a dysfunctional, hyper-expensive, gigantic disembodied corporate maw gobbling up American incomes sure seems like a monster to me.

Flag Comment Posted by anonymous on November 22, 2009 at 4:42 pm

The arrogance of some of these youthful posters that show no respect for seniors protesting Obamacare is disgusting.  I suspect that you never an authority figure that ever taught you anything, because your attitude is all about me, me, me.  It is free, so give it to me.  Never mind that someone else will be picking up the tab for all of you slackers. 

The protestors know what is in store for them if Obama, Pelosi and Reid ram this monsterity down out throats. 
I do not want Obamacare.  It is totally wrong and will bankrupt this country. 

A Tom Petty song is reeling in my head just now.  I Won’t Back Down. 
Try listening to his song if you will not listen to the voices of reason.  You just might get a clue.

Flag Comment Posted by orb on November 22, 2009 at 4:07 pm

Will
The legislative and the judicial sectors of the Federal government also have the power to challenge the executive branch. So let’s not just blame the executive branch past and present. Tea baggers not only use their freedom of expression during rallies of peace, they also have voting power to express their dilike of elected officials who betrayed the trust of the people they represent.

Flag Comment Posted by Randy on November 22, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Will - There’s no doubt that the federal government does things that are unconstitutional - but, are you suggesting that existing unconstitutional programs represent the appropriate basis for setting up additional programs that are unconstitutional? Sounds like a # 8 and a # 11 to me.

In my opinion, existing unconstitutional programs are only the legitimate basis for eliminating unconstitutional programs.

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