Northrop Grumman says it’s willing to mediate dispute

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Like a feuding couple, Northrop Grumman and the state are considering counseling to save their troubled IT marriage -- even as the state inches toward a possible divorce.

Jorman D. Granger, a lobbyist for the defense and systems-management firm, told lawmakers yesterday that Northrop Grumman is willing to mediate its bitter dispute with the state, which faces a Dec. 27 deadline to decide whether to file a lawsuit accusing the company of failing to deliver on a 10-year, $2.3 billion contract.

George F. Coulter, the state's computer chief, also signaled an interest in talks. He noted that to scrap the contract and fashion an alternative to a privately managed IT network could cost taxpayers $400 million to $600 million.

For months, Northrop Grumman and the state have attempted to settle such issues as the company's demand for more money against a record of continuing outages, sluggish service and incomplete billing.

But efforts are taking on a greater urgency because of the state's troubled finances and the post-Christmas deadline under which Virginia, having declared Northrop Grumman in breach of the contract six months ago, would be free to sue.

The prospect of supervised talks came as a surprise to legislators and lobbyists yesterday and followed the latest findings of General Assembly investigators who raised new questions about Northrop Grumman, including its ability to complete a refit of state agencies even with a one-year extension to July 2010.

The Virginia Information Technologies Agency's contract with Northrop Grumman allows both sides to resolve their differences through nonbinding mediation. That means the state or company still could go to court if either is displeased with the outcome of talks, though both seem eager to avoid litigation.

House Majority Leader H. Morgan Griffith, R-Salem, suggested that Northrop Grumman has the upper hand because it owns and maintains all of the equipment that the state can't afford, which forces Virginia to rely on the company even under unfavorable circumstances.

"It appears that the corporate giant may have us over a barrel," he said.

Granger told the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission, which has conducted two inquiries of the IT contract since summer, that additional funds from the state -- perhaps $40 million -- could "resolve some of these issues."

A possible cash request could be the topic today between Coulter and state budget officials, who are struggling to erase a $3.5 billion shortfall that is certain to require another round of spending cuts.

Coulter said the decision of whether to sue Northrop Grumman over continuing gaps in IT services rests, in part, with the panel that oversees VITA and that hired him in August to replace a chief information officer fired two months earlier after a payment dispute with the company.

Granger, standing in for Northrop Grumman's Virginia manager Samuel Abbate, who apparently was stranded in a Philadelphia airport, was asked by Senate Republican floor leader Thomas K. Norment Jr. of James City County if the company would consider entering "alternative dispute resolution."

Granger replied, "I would believe we would be, yes."

He also said he hoped there is discussion of including in Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's farewell budget the approximately $40 million that the company believes it is owed for services beyond those specified in the state's richest-ever privatization contract.

"I think that would be a big step in the right direction," Granger said.

Lawmakers in both parties have told Northrop Grumman for months that political and financial conditions likely preclude additional dollars for the company. Legislators also have urged VITA and Northrop Grumman to delay negotiations on potentially pricey contract modifications until Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell takes office next month, but the talks continued anyway.

Yesterday, Sen. R. Edward Houck, D-Spotsylvania, asked whether it gave Northrop Grumman pause that it is pressing for millions more while agency budgets are being cut severely to close a continuing hole in the budget.

"Do those real-life factors that the legislature will have to deal with, does that enter into the decision-making process from Northrop Grumman's perspective?" Houck asked.

JLARC's latest report indicated that the state could save millions in time and productivity if it took back responsibility for purchasing some information-technology equipment now acquired by Northrop Grumman.

The report also recommended further revisions to VITA's governance and management, largely to give the governor direct authority over the individual responsible for delivering IT services to agencies accountable to the chief executive.



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Flag Comment Posted by How much on December 17, 2009 at 9:19 am

Ok Beenthere,  I’ll type slower.  You sound like a current NG/Vita person.
Agencies ask for their systems to be covered by the SWCESC backup center.  This is done by a Request for Service.  VITA won’t even ask NG to price that service, because NG isn’t willing to tell VITA how much they will charge to provide that service, so the agency can not get that service.  But the real point is that this bill of goods was sold to the state that all state IT would be better off with a backup center that did not exist prior to the contract.  What was missing in the deal was the requirement for NG/VITA to provide the backup service to any IT system that did not have an existing backup contract that was transferred to NG.  The end result is that new systems and any old systems can not get VITA and/or NG to provide a cost estimate to obtain that service.

Flag Comment Posted by revnhoj on December 16, 2009 at 1:27 am

Beenthere, who said anything about desktops?  I said machines. This includes application and database servers, routers switches etc.  The desktops are fine; albeit WAY overpriced.  Have you priced a laptop from them lately?  What is one, 4 grand?

Anyone with any real experience in IT knows one can’t just come in and replace and infrastructure without consequences.  No surprise NG (No Good?) doesn’t understand this.

Flag Comment Posted by rtdild on December 16, 2009 at 12:43 am

It seems the defenders of corporate welfare have come out to defend Northrop Grumman without any knowledge of the issues, or a willingness to dismiss them whatever the cost to taxpayers.

This contract was sold as consolidation (and should have been a good thing), but what was created was a monopoly for one vendor.  It should have been obvious that mandating every executive agency acquire all IT equipment and services through a single vendor would cause increased costs and reduced services.  And now that the state has a huge budget hole to plug, agencies will be forced to cut services because their IT budget is no longer under their control.  Not only that, but proposing new automation to improve efficiency is a non-starter, since any changes or updates to systems is now prohibitively expensive.  The state’s IT is frozen in time in 2003.  What’s the point of rolling out new workstations all loaded an OS that’s 8 years old and so much management software that 3/4 of the workstation resources are dedicated to non-business functions.

NG is a defense contractor, and have learned that cost overruns are rewarded with increased budgets.  There are some competent technicians working for NG, but it seems when they determine how to meet an agency’s requirements, they are never allowed to implement those solutions.

I’m not surprised at applications that needed expensive re-writes to work in NG’s environment.  Every agency is dealing with this because NG has a data center built for military applications, where unique customization, hardened and inflexible directory structures, and siloed, stand-alone applications are acceptable and desirable.  Agencies have spent years integrating applications and authentication because they learned that it improved productivity and reduced costs.  Now NG comes along with their DoD infrastructure where everything is going to be a silo again.  NG has even divided up their own tech services into “towers” that seemingly rarely coordinate their activities.

Not that NG even has much of track record with their core competency.  Let’s not forget the Coast Guard patrol boats that NG took $100 million to renovate and handed back boats that cracked up after 2 weeks at sea.  Or the submarines they built for the navy with disabled weapons rooms that can’t fire torpedoes.

Maybe somebody needs to figure out that this contract needs to be torpedoed, before NG breaks anything else.

Flag Comment Posted by sotired on December 15, 2009 at 11:01 pm

Mr Hague..once again you impress me.. Myopinion..once again..im right there with you.  Beenthere..i’m trying SO hard to respect others opinions..you make it hard.  You keep showing up on all these VITA stories…with only half the story.  State agencies “hindering” NG?  Could it be because NOT one intitiative that NG has proposed has worked?  Could it be that they are for the most part so arrogant that they don’t listen to the agencies….?  I don’t CARE what venue you are in..if you want to “make something better” you dang well better UNDERSTAND the old process first.  Yes, it may be old, yes it may be out of date, but UNDERSTAND why it was done the way it was done.  My state agency does fight VITA..not for some covert reason..but because what they propose WON"T work the way they propose it.  and they are too Arrogant to listen.  So finally, the agency says..ok..go ahead…we tried to tell you.  and then it fails.  and ng stands around and says HUH?  Well to fix it, it’s “out of scope” out of the contract and will cost you money.  So yea, I’m leary of anything NG proposes.  Inventory..thats a joke.  come one..its COUNTING stuff..its being able to tell you where it is..NG can’t handle that..and I’m suppose to trust their “IT initiatives?“.  As far as the comment “tell me what app won’t run on a HP computer? I bet the truth is more like your app is so far behind in versions that the app CAN’T run on a newer computer due to the processor being to fast”.  Yea most of our stuff WILL run on the new computers…IF there wasn’t so much VITA/NG stuff loaded.  There is so much of that stuff that most computer systems have problems running “normal” applications.  You can’t ignore 15+ minute LOGONS…SOMETHING is causing it..and it ain’t “Old state apps”..logons run LOGON scrips..VITA/NG scripts etc etc.
Bottom line…VITA/NG doesn’t care…they KNOW we have to by law use them..and we are over a barrel.  the cost to bring IT back in house (while the right thing to do) just isn’t there.

Flag Comment Posted by CharlesHague on December 15, 2009 at 5:42 pm

Correction to previous posting - make that the fourth word.

Flag Comment Posted by CharlesHague on December 15, 2009 at 5:29 pm

Beenthere - So NG owns Newport News Shipbuilding that provides a lot of jobs.  Certainly there are politics involved.  The state IT contract is with NG Information Systems, a separate division within NG.  Do you think NG is going to move or close the shipbuilding operation over this?

Must you be insulting to those who disagree with you?  The third word in your comment, which I will not repeat, certainly falls under the category of offensive language.  Read the guidelines at the bottom - respect others.

Flag Comment Posted by myopinion on December 15, 2009 at 4:50 pm

So Beenthere you have switched to today to pass of your “its the agencies fault” theory on this one.  As a former NG and former VITA contractor I am sure you can convince all these fine people and citizens that it is all the states fault.
Calling people names will not change any of the facts that NG is in violation of their contract and should be taken to court over it. $400 million is much less then continuing to pay the almost $3 billion this will cost.  By the way what ever happened to the asset inventory that was supposed to have been completed by now?  You know where NG is supposed to account for all the equipment it is maintaining?  Bet it is not finished yet.  Time for munber 8.
But again with your 5 years working with the contract you know more than anybody else.

Flag Comment Posted by Beenthere on December 15, 2009 at 4:35 pm

Sounds like the libtards have been let out to play this afternoon.
CharlesHague-get real there’s more to this than just VITA/NG-try Newport News shipbuilding - politics nothing but…
Beachbum-sounds like your trying to sound intelligent but can’t - please refrain from trying so hard you might hurt yourself
HowMuch - NG (by contract) can’t provide pricing because the contract is with VITA not the agencies. NG bills VITA, in turn VITA bills the agencies.
Revnhoj-tell me what app won’t run on a HP computer? I bet the truth is more like your app is so far behind in versions that the app CAN’T run on a newer computer due to the processor being to fast.

Flag Comment Posted by CharlesHague on December 15, 2009 at 3:52 pm

So what is the price of disentanglement based on NG’s breach of contract?

In October, the cost was estimated to be $400 million. Now Mr. Coulter says it could cost $400 - $650 million. Most likely, the cost is much less than either of those estimates. There are many alternatives to bring excellent IT service back to the Commonwealth at substantially lower costs.

The Commonwealth should exercise its rights by immediately issuing a notice of termination based on breach of contract. The next administration should begin plans to resolve this fiasco during the two year disentanglement period. The state should never be in a position where it appears that a “corporate giant may have us over a barrel!“

Flag Comment Posted by beachbum on December 15, 2009 at 12:39 pm

Just wait and see how much other goverment services will cost if this push for more and more private contractors keeps going forward. The contractors will want more and more money with less services. The Governor and General Assembly are to blame for most of the budget problems by pushing for more and more spending when there was no money to back it up just their made up tax revenue projections.

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