RTD EXCLUSIVE: Analysts advocate downtown ballpark

RTD EXCLUSIVE: Analysts advocate downtown ballpark

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Patrick Zohn, Sports-facility consultant

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Access. Crime. Parking.

Those were concerns Patrick Zohn says he most frequently heard when speaking at public forums before the construction of Toledo's downtown ballpark. The Class AAA Toledo Mud Hens played for decades at suburban Lucas County Recreation Center, but needed a new home. Toledo-area residents expressed to Zohn, a partner with a Cleveland sports-facility consulting firm, their apprehension concerning a downtown baseball venue.

Zohn, of The Gateway Group, helped design and build Fifth Third Field, Toledo's successful downtown ballpark that opened in 2002.

"When [the debate] started about a downtown ballpark, it was like 65-35 against," said Jim Weber, the Mud Hens' play-by-play radio announcer since 1975. "Now, you can't find anyone who will bad-mouth it. People just didn't realize what it would do."

Zohn added that access, crime and parking have not been problems.

"Generally, you'll find that when you build a public-assembly facility like an arena or a convention center or a ballpark in a downtown, that actually these issues go away," he said.

Zohn has been following Richmond's ballpark situation. Go ahead with the $318 million Shockoe Center project and its $60 million ballpark? Rebuild The Diamond, or construct something new on the Boulevard? Those are the options commonly backed.

"It would be a generational mistake to build again at The Diamond site," said Zohn, who has visited Richmond and The Diamond in recent years. "It would be the mistake of history repeating itself. It runs counter to what any responsible firm or entity involved with urban planning would tell you. If you're going to spend money on this type of public-assembly facility, you should do it in the core of your downtown."

The Shockoe Center proposal, which continues to be studied by the city and involves retail, restaurants, hotels and living space in Shockoe Bottom, also is supported by Bryan Bostic, chairman of Richmond Baseball Club LC, which is attempting to purchase a Class AA franchise for Richmond.

"We feel that we have put forward a fantastic revitalization plan that happens to include baseball," he said. "Baseball is the catalyst for growth. It's the engine that makes it happen. Without baseball in the picture, is the Bottom going to develop on its own?"

The Shockoe Bottom proposal's opponents include Charlie Diradour, owner and operator of a Richmond development company and one of four debaters involved in Tuesday's Public Square, organized by the Richmond Times-Dispatch to address the Shockoe Center proposal. Diradour believes baseball belongs on the Boulevard because "You put something where customers are going to buy it," he said Thursday. "In this case, the customers are saying 'Put it where we can get to it.'"

Bostic has stressed through eight months of public discourse that ballpark and city-planning analysts consistently advocate building sports facilities downtown. The Times-Dispatch contacted three ballpark-industry sources unconnected to Bostic or the Shockoe Center developers and asked them about Richmond's ballpark challenge.

  • Zohn, from Cleveland, has been involved with the planning and construction of several ballparks and arenas.

  • Andrew Zimbalist, a nationally known sports economist, wrote "May the Best Team Win: Baseball Economics and Public Policy," and 17 other books, several involving sports economy. He is an economics professor at Smith College in Northampton, Mass.

  • Jonathan Fine, who attended Collegiate and worked on The Diamond's grounds crew during the mid-1980s, is a sports business consultant who specializes in facility development. He lives and works in Charlotte.

Zohn recognizes Richmond's situation. Toledo faced similar options: rebuild on or near the footprint of an inadequate stadium outside the city's midsection, or build a ballpark downtown? Toledo built downtown, using abandoned warehouses in the design. Fifth Third Field, in its eighth season, is surrounded by several restaurants, some retail and living space.

"We came in and did something on the order of 100 private interviews with political, business and community leaders to see what would work in their community in terms of an action plan," Zohn said. "Then we held a series of public forums, and almost without fail, the first questions in the public forums were 'What about parking? What about crime? What about access?'

"This was a team that routinely drew between 290,000 and 315,000 [per season]. They were usually [near] the bottom of the International League in attendance. Since 2002, when the ballpark opened, they have averaged 550,000 fans a year. And people love going into downtown now."

Zimbalist prefaced his remarks by stating it was difficult for him to be specific about Richmond's situation because he doesn't know many details. But regarding the possibility of a downtown mixed-use development that includes a ballpark, he said, "If a stadium or arena comes as part of a package, whereby you have auxiliary investment, then the entirety of the project can have a positive effect.

"It's unlikely a stadium by itself is doing that, but if the stadium can sensibly synergize with retail construction or commercial construction, then the whole project itself can be positive. The stadium kind of becomes symbolic as an indicator the area is going to be invigorated, that the city is putting energy and infra-structural spending into making the area work. So the stadium can be kind of a fulcrum that helps to generate the rest of the project."

Phase I of Shockoe Center's plans includes the $60 million ballpark, and more than $100 million of private investment around the ballpark.

Fine is very familiar with Richmond, having lived here, having worked at The Diamond.

"When you look at other cities faced with similar decisions, you can see that most of the time in recent years, other similarly situated cities have chosen to build ballparks and arenas in downtown areas as economic-development drivers," he said. "By and large, they've met with success. It's not a guarantee for success, but it's difficult to argue with the results that have been seen in places like Durham, Sacramento, Indianapolis. It's what we're trying to do here in Charlotte.

"What Richmond really has going for it, in my opinion, is it already has natural amenities and historical amenities to bring people downtown. What it needs further in that area to really drive the development is the hook, is the anchor. You put a ballpark in Shockoe Bottom, it's not like a restaurant or some other business where you say 'Hey, maybe folks will come.'

"You put a ballpark down there and that's 80 times a year when you're going to be generating some sort of foot traffic no matter what. And it's that foot traffic that's really going to drive development for retail and restaurants and so forth."



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Flag Comment Posted by TheGoodShepherd on May 19, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Is everyone forgetting this is a AA team affiliated with the GIANTS??
I’m a BRAVES fan.  Why would I battle downtown traffic, pay to park, risk my safety AND pay to cheer for an opposing team?  Not going to happen, folks.  I’d rather see VCU, UR or the Generals play.
Let’s face it, Richmonders don’t support projects in the city.  Main Street Station, 6th St. Marketplace, Carpenter Center, etc. all failed because of apathy.  Nothing has changed.

Flag Comment Posted by frojunk on May 19, 2009 at 9:04 am

People, get with it!  This is not the 6th street market place they are proposing, nor a completely out of place convention center (should have been built overlooking the James River) - it’s a ballpark where baseball will be played.  People like to watch baseball, they will come.  But, they will not come back to the blvd area, with or without a new Diamond.  That area is BORING, no potential.  People actually do want to come downtown, they really do.  They just need something to come to.  Look, if Toledo, Ohio can do it (very successfully the facts prove), Richmond can as well.  It is one of the few things that actally make sense around here (which means it won’t be built).  This place can step up, or continue to slink further and further into anonymity.

Flag Comment Posted by Nparole on May 18, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Total and complete waste of time and money.  Even the downtown workers can’t get out of their work area’s in a timely manner.  So, the answer is to bring in people who do not know the downtown area and then to get them to walk to the Ball Park and back to their transportation.  Or have them go eat/drink someplace and then go back to their transportation.  This of course is after all the extra security has left the area.

Flag Comment Posted by Dinwiddie Boy on May 18, 2009 at 8:42 pm

Seems to me that the $3 to park at the Diamond was a pretty good price.  I was out of the parking lot in less than 10 minutes, and up on the interstate about 1 minute later, and in my drive way in Chester 20 minutes after that.  Bet I won’t even be able to get out of the Bottom in that amount of time after having to traverse who knows how many traffic lights and paying a lot more than $3 dollars to park.  And of course, I don’t don’t have to deal with any part of downtown, crime or otherwise.  Ever tried to get up on I-95 at Broad Street?  Or over to the RMA.  You take your life into your hands everytime.  The Diamond was easy in, easy out.  Oh, and by the way, we now want a AA team in lieu of a AAA?  It was pretty cool to watch the Big Boys on TV after having watched them grow up in Richmond.  Wonder how many AAA games with our new AA farm team will be televised?

Flag Comment Posted by Lucas on May 18, 2009 at 5:26 pm

How many times do I have to hear how dangerous this city is. Did you know that in 2008 Minneapolis MN, the home of the 2008 Republican National Convention, was ranked more dangerous?  Other cities that were ranked more dangerous than Richmond VA include Milwaukee WI, Houston TX, West Palm Beach FL and Springfield MA.  We were ranked about the same as Nashville TN, yet no one seems to think of a trip to the Grand Ole’ Opry as being dangerous.  Since I’ve lived in the metro area I have had two incidents where my safety was endangered.  I was robbed at gun point in western Hanover county near Ashland and assaulted on Broad Street in Glen Allen while exiting a restaurant.  I don’t constantly bad mouth either Henrico or Ashland because of it.  I enjoy a night out at the Funny Bond Comedy Club, Innsbrook after hours or at Barksdale Theatre and am quite fond the Iron Horse in the Town of Ashland. My point is simply that I am sick of the perpetual miss-conceptions about the City.  Discuss the financial aspect of this project as you see fit but please leave out the issue of crime.  This is not 1985, heck it’s not even 2000.

Flag Comment Posted by as it should be on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 pm

The ONLY “Build it and they will come” scenario in Richmond that has worked is RRHA - also known as the Projects!
So - build a baseball stadium in the bottom, and who will come?...

I WOULD LOVE IT, if it worked…but it won’t.  We can’t support a hockey team or a baseball team people…we won’t and it won’t work….analysts/economists..etc…

Let’s get THEM to fund it…put up or shut up developers, economists, analysts…

As they citycynic has said…we (Richmond) has history on it’s side…in other words…whatever Richmond has tried, NEVER has lived up to expectations….so..anyone have an extra $ 63 million a year to fund it to ensure Richmond doesn’t pay for it…AGAIN..?

Flag Comment Posted by qhgirl on May 18, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Steve.. the problem is that the metro Richmond community has proven time and time again that they will not support these types of venues in the city.  They have proven that they won’t support sports teams and other similar attractions.  This is a hugely expensive venture and the citizens and people who spend their money in the city are being asked to foot part of the bill.  If the developers have the money.. great.. let them present their plans to the city and offer to pay for road upgrades etc..  Why does anyone think that a lower level baseball team is really going to be a financial draw for the city?  Believe me, it wasn’t the stadium/location.. it was apathy in the Richmond market.. that is what kills.

Flag Comment Posted by Steve on May 18, 2009 at 2:30 pm

citycinic, then we should never do anything to downtown. Just lets stop trying. After all, as you say, everything they’ve tried, it’s failed.

Good grief. Every city has had failures. The one difference is, we have never really tried to do anything substantial with the bottom. All of those places are at Broad St. The bottom is where all the growth is at. Now it’s time to bring some retail growth down there. The ballpark will be just a piece of that growth.

Flag Comment Posted by citycynic on May 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm

The same argument was made during the debates over building the Sixth Street Marketplace, The Convention Centre, and the Performing Arts Centre - “it worked in other cities.“ We were told crime wasn’t that bad in “other cities.“ Access was not a deterrent in “other cities.“ Parking wasn’t a problem in “other cities”. The majority resisted but eventually came around in “other cities.“ The problem? Time and time again, Richmond proved not to be “other cities”. After the ribbon cuttings and initial hoopla, neither city nor county residents supported these venues, citing crime, accessability, and parking as the reasons. There is no legitimate reason to believe that things will be different this time around, and this is certainly not the economic environment in which to give it another “at bat”.

It’s way past time to take the time, energy, and money being wasted on a pipe dream that the majority of citizens have rejected and divert it towards something we all agree is critical: the repair and development of our basic infrastrucure, starting with the roads. After all, what good is a “revitalized” Richmond if we’re all going to disappear into potholes trying to get there?

Flag Comment Posted by Steve on May 18, 2009 at 1:20 pm

Thank you Analysts!!!! Downtown is the best and only real option for the stadium. Now Richmond, get off your duffs and build it finally!!!

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